(Archie) Recording from now! (dick/CHAIR) from other sigs we can always go as SIG Atari (dick/CHAIR) logo users group! (Tom Goltz) Dick- I think Apple may have their own Logo thing going on. (dick/CHAIR) looks like a good -- no, a great -- group (dick/CHAIR) so why don't we get started. ok out by all (dick/CHAIR) ga (Marlene) yes (- tom) Fine with me. (d.g.g.) Tom -- Tonight or in general? (- tom) Dgg- In general. (Archie) GA (Ron Winn) ok (dick/CHAIR) TOM>>I was up to... (dick/CHAIR) Maug once and looked... (dick/CHAIR) through there data bases... (dick/CHAIR) for logo stuff... (dick/CHAIR) found nothing.ga (Marlene) # (- tom) Dick- Okay, I wasn't sure. What is the out in the way (- tom) Dick- Of logo for the Atari? ga (dick/CHAIR) logo for the apple! (dick/CHAIR) Marlene, first (- tom) Dick- I have Krell Logo for the Apple, its not running on the Atari though! (- tom) (ga) (Marlene) Will there be a written transcript of... (Marlene) tonites meeting in the xa's ? (Archie) # (dick/CHAIR) ARCH, has got his... (dick/CHAIR) disk running. (dick/CHAIR) archie ga (Marlene) Are you going to upload it Arch? (Archie) If we want, I can upload it to xa5 (- tom) Archie- Would appreciate it. (dick/CHAIR) OK. GOOD... (d.g.g.) Think it might be good if we can text edit... (Archie) When I flash !#!, it will mean I have to spool to disk--have 3/4 of memory still (dick/CHAIR) PROTOCOL FOR TONITE: (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "#" TO TALK (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "GA" WHEN DONE. (d.g.g.) so that it (dick/CHAIR) # (d.g.g.) Sorry dick, blew my own device.ga (dick/CHAIR) I'm doing a back up (henry h) # (dick/CHAIR) dave>s'alright (dick/CHAIR) hery ga (dick/CHAIR) er henry ga (henry h) just reporting in!!! (dick/CHAIR) and welcome (Marlene) hi hh (dick/CHAIR) ok no problem (henry h) hi all (Archie) Seven so far in CO (- tom) (Hi henry) (dick/CHAIR) its a brain trust! (dick/CHAIR) # (Archie) # (- tom) # (dick/CHAIR) first item on the agenda is our ... (dick/CHAIR) membership... (dick/CHAIR) as suggested last week by ARCH... (dick/CHAIR) finding out what people are up to... (dick/CHAIR) and doing... (dick/CHAIR) with Logo, ... (dick/CHAIR) anyone want to start? (Archie) # (d.g.g.) # (dick/CHAIR) arch, tom , and then dave (Archie) Can I get everyone's full name for the records? (- tom) Archie- Tom Goltz [70007,1035] (dick/CHAIR) Richard Brudzynski [74035,1550] (henry h) henry hillbrath [70725,1470] (Ron) Ron Winn [73145,340] (Archie) Archie Strong [70535,545] (d.g.g.) David g. Groves [70775,712] (d.g.g.) ## (Archie) GA (dick/CHAIR) dgg>after tom (dick/CHAIR) tom ga (- tom) Okay. I've not been doing much of anything actually. (Too busy fighting (- tom) hardware problems), but I was wondering if there is or will be versions (- tom) of Logo out for the Atari? ga (dick/CHAIR) TOM>> I THINK KRELL IS AVAILABLE NOW... (d.g.g.) Tom there is a good cart....$98.00 (- tom) (Ouch!) (dick/CHAIR) AND LCSI HAS RELEASED ONE TO ATARI... (dick/CHAIR) SHOULD BE IN THE STORES NOW! (Archie) # (d.g.g.) It will it is the Atari Cart I refer to. (dick/CHAIR) DGG>GA (dick/CHAIR) THEN ARCH (d.g.g.) Anyhow, I suspect that LIST capabilities might make... (d.g.g.) an interesting base for Adventure games... (d.g.g.) with the added cuteness of the graphics... (d.g.g.) I did a 4 Turtle race with commentary.. (d.g.g.) night one! anyone else played with it?ga (dick/CHAIR) arch>ga (Archie) The Atari Cartridge can be obtained considerably cheaper--I paid $75 at AB.. (Archie) Computing in Montgomeryville, PA (Archie) I have an interest in the LIST capabilities, since I have used LISP.. (dick/CHAIR) # (Archie) How many others are interested in the LISP-likeness? GA (Wayne) Hello, all. Logo cartridges are showing up in my area only a few at a time. (d.g.g.) # (dick/CHAIR) hi wayne! (- tom) # (Wayne) That is my primary interest--I've had a lot of fun with list processing... (dick/CHAIR) Arch>>haven't seen much LISP... (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "#" TO TALK (Wayne) and am now interested enough to look at Lisp on larger computers. (dick/CHAIR) WAYNE>> (dick/CHAIR) ... (Wayne) Ok (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "#" TO TALK (dick/CHAIR) thanks (Archie) # (dick/CHAIR) Just about everything I've done... (dick/CHAIR) to date is up in XA 5 ... (dick/CHAIR) under /key:LOGO (dick/CHAIR) ... (dick/CHAIR) my proudest to date is SAVPRO... (dick/CHAIR) which allows you to save an... (dick/CHAIR) individual procedure out ... (dick/CHAIR) of the work space... (d.g.g.) # (dick/CHAIR) Current projects... (dick/CHAIR) An automatic programming utility... (dick/CHAIR) which records immediate mode (dick/CHAIR) commands, assembles them into a ... (dick/CHAIR) program, checks syntax... (dick/CHAIR) and allows you to back step forward... (dick/CHAIR) and back... (dick/CHAIR) Also working on a FILL command... (dick/CHAIR) and an appropriate response to henry's... (dick/CHAIR) canard that one turtle can't point at... (dick/CHAIR) another! (dick/CHAIR) dgg >>ga then tom then arch (d.g.g.) Thnx... (henry h) hello??? (d.g.g.) It sounds to me like there are 2 schools of user ... (d.g.g.) the list processors & the graphics drawers.... (d.g.g.) Dick, I suggest we give Arch a ! priority to dump this... (dick/CHAIR) SOUNDS GOOD! (Wayne) # (d.g.g.) as needed and something else to t/o for /ust's. ga (dick/CHAIR) MARLENE IS USTing (Marlene) I certainly am - and watch your language Dick!!! (Archie) Is she USTo that? (dick/CHAIR) Iff dave's finished, its Arch's turn (dick/CHAIR) hehehehe (- tom) Achie- (Ugh!) (Archie) What about Tom? (dick/CHAIR) pheh! (- tom) Indeed, what about Tom? (dick/CHAIR) SORRY (dick/CHAIR) ... (dick/CHAIR) your right >>tom ga (dick/CHAIR) then arch (- tom) How much compatability is there between the various versions of Logo (- tom) for the Atari (& Apple), and; How much free memory do you have? In the (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "GA" WHEN DONE. (dick/CHAIR) tom>> (- tom) Apple version that I have, you run through memory like (- tom) it's going out of style. (On a machine (- tom) that can handle 40k text files, its upsetting!) ga (Archie) I believe that the company which produced LOGO is the same for Apple and Atari. (dick/CHAIR) anyone>want to respond? (Wayne) # (dick/CHAIR) LCSI>>therre the same (Archie) I haven't done enough to blow up memory yet--but I do get a lot of pauses.. (dick/CHAIR) except our's is a lot better!!! due to garbage collecting. (- tom) ( I have the Krell version for the Apple) (dick/CHAIR) Memory is pretty short in the ATARI... (Archie) I am interested in both graphics (dick/CHAIR) I forget how many Nodes ... and lists-- (d.g.g.) # (Wayne) # (dick/CHAIR) I get on recycle. (Archie) especially in use with education--anyone else similarly inclined? GA (dick/CHAIR) apple , krell are easy translations (dick/CHAIR) wayne>>ga (- tom) (Dick- Good!) (Wayne) The various Logo's I've looked at... (Wayne) (Krell, Apple, and so on) are very similar... (Wayne) much more so than BASICs on different machines... (dick/CHAIR) # (Wayne) Since there are no books right now on the Atari specific version... (Wayne) I suggest Abelson's book (Logo for the Apple) and Watt's book (Learning with Logo). ga (dick/CHAIR) dgg>ga (d.g.g.) # (dick/CHAIR) dgg>wayne's working on an adventure! (dick/CHAIR) dgg>ga (Wayne) # (d.g.g.) Would pooling our mutual insights and writing a book for profit as... (d.g.g.) a group be against SIG policy.... (d.g.g.) Can Papert control LOGO to the extent... (d.g.g.) that it won't become like the basics, pascals, etc.... (- tom) # (d.g.g.) Have All of you read the three or so... (d.g.g.) major, recent articles?ga (dick/CHAIR) dick , then wayne (dick/CHAIR) I would think that... (dick/CHAIR) SIG policy would encourage us... (henry h) neopotisim!!! (dick/CHAIR) to pool our talents... (dick/CHAIR) hehehehe (dick/CHAIR) to produce something commercial if... (dick/CHAIR) we so choose... (- tom) (CompuServe could cause problems (dick/CHAIR) stuff we develop here... (DANIEL CHANEY) HI EVERYBODY (dick/CHAIR) could be a spring board... (dick/CHAIR) hi DAN>>> (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "#" TO TALK (dick/CHAIR) TYPE "GA" WHEN DONE. (d.g.g.) # (DANIEL CHANEY) OKAY GA (dick/CHAIR) for something valuable. ... (- tom) (Dick- I'd like to talk to you later on that) (dick/CHAIR) CIS is always a problem! (dick/CHAIR) tom >>OK (dick/CHAIR) I'd be very interested... (dick/CHAIR) in seeing us develop a library... (dick/CHAIR) of fundamental logo procedures... (dick/CHAIR) that could be used by anybody... (dick/CHAIR) to build programs... (dick/CHAIR) We've got an extensible language... (d.g.g.) # (dick/CHAIR) so let's extend it. (dick/CHAIR) wayne>>ga, then DGG (henry h) # (Wayne) The magazines (especially Atari-specific) would welcome articles on Logo... (Wayne) Based on a short letter to Ken Harms at Antic, he called(!) me... (Wayne) and said that they are hungry for Logo articles... (Wayne) I'm now well into an article called "The Two Faces of Logo"... (Marlene) # (Wayne) which hilites the l.p. capabilities... (Wayne) Count me in on any book or library-development project.I'd love it. ga (Archie) !#! Time-out for a disk dump !#! (dick/CHAIR) d.g.g.>ga then henry, then marlene (- tom) Be back in a sec!... (d.g.g.) I'll take a moment, off record..... (dick/CHAIR) let's take a dump!