************›Topic 3         Fri Dec 04, 1992›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 22:48 EST›Sub: Atari Classics Magazine! Let's Support ››Who's subscribing to AC?›172 message(s) total.› ************› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 1         Fri Dec 04, 1992›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 22:48 EST› › ›››     How many people are planning on (if not already) subscribing to Atari›     Classics?››     If you aren't, how come? Is it the price ($25.00/year for 6 issues),›     or are there other reasons?››     Lets get this magazine going strong!›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 2         Sat Dec 12, 1992›L.MCCLURE                    at 02:28 EST› ›Well, I've already sent in my check for a subscription.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 3         Sat Dec 12, 1992›P.TAPLAY [peter t]           at 22:45 EST› ›I've also sent in my money order. I liked it. I may cancel my GEnie ›subscription if it turns out as good as the first issue...haha››peter› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 4         Sat Dec 12, 1992›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         (Forwarded) › ›I just got my copy of Atari Classics a few days ago. Been thumbing through it›and so far it looks pretty good. Anyone else get a copy? What do you think?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 5         Sun Dec 13, 1992›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 18:58 EST› ›So.. has anyone yet received the kit for article submissions? I have about 15›articles I'd like to submit - covering everything from hardware hacks to›software tips to BBS reviews world-wide, etc..››If anyone contacts Ben Poehland, be sure to have him contact me -- as I have›already left him multiple Internet mail messages (and GEnie mail messages›weeks ago) and have yet to hear anything back..› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 6         Thu Dec 17, 1992›J.SLIKER                     at 23:52 EST› ›I sent my check in a few days back.  I thought the first issue looked pretty›good.  The price seems a tad steep for what the mag looks like, but the›content was quite good. I have a half-written article on how I did my›doctoral dissertation on my 8-bit...maybe I can find time to finish it and›submit it.››/s› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 7         Fri Dec 18, 1992›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 05:13 EST› ›Considering the small reader base $25 for 6 issues doesn't seem that bad.››I'll be sending in my check as soon as I photocopy the order blank! I have no›wish to ruin my "Clasic" magazine! ;^)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 8         Sat Dec 19, 1992›A.FRAZER1                    at 22:08 EST› ›Why not post the address? Maybe more will get subscriptions in that way!› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 9         Thu Dec 31, 1992›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 06:28 EST› ›So how's AC coming along so far? Have we got the 500 or so subscribers this›magazine needs to survive? Have we even gotten 100?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 10        Sat Jan 02, 1993›R.WILMOTT [Ray]              at 15:06 EST› ›Ditto on Atarian's question - how many subscribers did AC get, and when can›we expect to see issue #2?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 11        Sat Jan 02, 1993›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 20:06 EST› ›I recently put this question to Ben Poehland, and he answered that we were›now up to somewhere around 400 subscriptions. I also asked if there was ANY›chance of going to a MONTLY format and he answered NO.. Looks like we may get›a few more pages though..› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 12        Sun Jan 03, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:35 EST› ›A few more pages I'd really like to see.  I think within a year the›subscription count could go to 1000, and the higher it goes, the better the›mag will be, it is that simple.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 13        Sun Jan 03, 1993›P.SUNGENIS1                  at 01:14 EST› ›I've already passed word to the editors that even though I haven't subscribed›yet (finances are in the toilet since I was forced out of my job in October)›I support the idea of the magazine and intend to contribute.  One of my›suggestions was a series on Action!, which I've jokingly (and VERY›tentatively) named "ACTION!: How the @"#%'"$ do I do THIS?!?!?"  Basically,›how to get the most out of the language and the occasional PROCedure to›demonstrate how easily something can be done with 47 lines of code instead of›a command.  Any comments?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 14        Sun Jan 03, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 04:54 EST› ›Sure, why would someone want to do 47 lines of code if it can be done with›one command?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 15        Mon Jan 04, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:19 EST› ›Well, I'm up for any kind of boot camp for programming, and ACTION! hasn't›gotten enough in the way of programming hints or tutorials.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 16        Fri Jan 08, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 06:44 EST› ›Anybody from Atari Classics reading this???› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 17        Sun Jan 10, 1993›JOY.ORTON [JOY]              at 12:24 EST› ›To:  Message 15› G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:19 EST››->Well, I'm up for any kind of boot camp for programming, and› ->ACTION! hasn't› ->gotten enough in the way of programming hints or tutorials.››Hi Glenn,›        I used to be the Librarian for our Atari users group, Many of the›Newsletters had short tutorials on Action. If they might help you let me know›by E-mail and I'll see if I can dig them up out of the Archives.›        Also if anyone could use help in writing an Article I used to do›quite a bit of programming for the Atari, And have GOBS of reference›material. I haven't been using it much lately I've been doing mostly IBM›programming, but I haven't forgotten everyting yet.››Oh almost forgot I'm good with M.L. pretty good with the various versions of›C (ie..Lightspeed,Ace,Deepblue etc),weak with Action,Forgot more Basic than›most ever learn.››                                              ((  Joy  ))›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 18        Sun Jan 10, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 23:45 EST› ›Well, I'd like to get more into ACTION!. Some of my programs will require›RECORDS which ACTION! does so well. Any tutuorials would be useful.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 19        Thu Jan 14, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 22:29 EST› ›Animatsuri: yes, I'm from AC, and read the messages (albeit somewhat›irregularly).  Send me your Graphics & Entertainment stuff: questions,›reviews, bug reports, etc. and I'll try to respond.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 20        Sat Jan 16, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 05:48 EST› ›OK, will do! Watch your e-mail.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 21        Sat Jan 16, 1993›P.SUNGENIS1                  at 12:14 EST› ›To: all staff members here.  How do I go about submitting articles?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 22        Fri Jan 22, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 05:51 EST› ›A lot of the staff members have GEnie accounts but they hang out on Internet›mostly... <sigh>› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 23        Fri Jan 22, 1993›P.SUNGENIS1                  at 19:20 EST› ›Could I get the Internet addresses of any of the major staff then?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 24        Fri Jan 22, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 23:28 EST› ›Jeff Mcwilliams can be reached via: "jjmcwill@mtu.edu"› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 25        Sun Jan 24, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 08:57 EST› ›The interesting thing is that they wanted to have an entire category here.  I›suggested that we see how this topic went before committing that much space.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 26        Sun Jan 24, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 23:06 EST› ›Why would these guys want a whole CAT if they(with the exception of Jeff›Potter) don't even have time to visit their TOPic?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 27        Sun Jan 24, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 23:08 EST› ›That's a very good question.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 28        Mon Jan 25, 1993›R.LODOEN                     at 21:29 EST› ›Perhaps they just misunderstood what CATegories are compared to TOPics on›GEnie. It's different than most other systems. Took me a long time to figure›it out, and I had time.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 29        Mon Jan 25, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 21:29 EST› ›  As I expected from my experience with some of the people who are associated›with AC, if you don't happen to advertise in their magazine, then you are›abandoning the 8-bit marked, and might as well close your doors (a quote). ›Considering my particular example, I don't think they know what they are›talking about, and I will compare my bottom line with anyone else in the 8-›bit business. ››My opinion on issue #1.. thin on details, thick on opinion.  Since  there›will be shifts in responsibilities on issue #2, maybe things will change.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 30        Tue Jan 26, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 05:18 EST› ›Is that why we don't see many AC people here(most have GEnie accounts)?›Because we don't advertise in AC? (I think I'm missing something here)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 31        Tue Jan 26, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 07:08 EST› ›They haven't said anything to me about that, nor to Darlah, to my knowledge. ›I think Chuck was talking about Dataque.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 32        Tue Jan 26, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 21:43 EST› ›If you check through the first issue of AC, you can find me, and some of the›following addresses:  Ben Poehland (Internet)›poehland%phvax.dnet@smithkline.com Jeff McWilliams (Internet)›jjmcwill"mtus5.cts.mtu.edu Lawrence Estep, Bart Bresnik, and myself have›GEnie accounts (hint, check the "Swap 'n' Shop" area for names and e-mail›addresses). P.SUNGENIS1: if you are interested, Ben or I can send you an›Author's kit, for submitting to Atari Classics.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 33        Tue Jan 26, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 22:41 EST› ›Craig is correct, my comments were not related to GEnie.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 34        Wed Jan 27, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:17 EST› ›Well, one thing is for sure, if we don't all scrap to get enough›subscriptions for AC, then it will not fly. They need rougly 150-200 more›subscriptions and in my opinion if anyone who modems in the 8-bit world is›into it enough to subscribe, and if they DON'T, then they are doing their›platforma disservice, plain and simple. AC may not prove to be the 8-bit's›salvation, but it is the closest thing we can hope for.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 35        Wed Jan 27, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 05:52 EST› ›At anyrate, I zipped my subscription order as soon as I was done reading AC.›It's not a big glossy mag like Analog or Antic was but AC does have a lot of ›sold articles that I like to see more of.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 36        Thu Jan 28, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 22:51 EST› ›I've tried to motivate the last few remaining Atari users in my town (four of›us) to mail in their subscription cards.  The magazine can improve if we send›our opinions on what subscribers want to see. Ben P. appears to be working›himself nearly to exhaustion for this thing, and he deserves the majority of›the credit for filling in for missing staff members.  We'll admit the›magazine is not the only one of its kind (much thanks to Rick Reaser for his›Current Notes collumns, Chuck Steinman for his AtariUser collumns, and the›various authors who contribute to AIM).››-Jeff (not really a spokesman for AC, but present nonetheless)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 37        Sat Jan 30, 1993›B.MARCUM [Bill]              at 01:27 EST› ›I misplaced my copy of AC after reading it, but I've found it and will be›sending in my subscription pronto.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 38        Sat Feb 13, 1993›A.FRAZER1                    at 12:19 EST› ›This may sound silly, but where can I get subscription info for AC?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 39        Sat Feb 13, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 16:59 EST› ›In the file library would be a good place to check.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 40        Tue Feb 16, 1993›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 09:55 EST› ›Anyone else catch Ben Poehland's message on the Internet regarding the›possible dropping of one issue of AC this year?››Anyone else disgruntled about the possibility of this occurring? ››Not to be a jerk about this, but when I pay $35.00 (for disk and mag)›subscription, I expect to get what I paid for. Its bad enough that I'm›already paying $25.00 for six issues, when I can go out and get a›subscription to Byte or another computer mag for considerably less and get 12›issues/year to boot.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 41        Tue Feb 16, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 20:24 EST› ›Probably doesn't help that AIM, also published by Unicorn has not been›available for months due to cash flow problems.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 42        Wed Feb 17, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:27 EST› ›Cash flow problems, is that a euphemism or what!?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 43        Wed Feb 17, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 07:57 EST› ›I've heard unless AC gets its 500 subscribers it will fall it less frequent›cycle. I would expect to get the same amount of issue just not Bi-Monthly›like it was hoped. Even if its quartly it will still be more often than Atari›Explorer and with more 8bit info in it.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 44        Thu Feb 18, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 23:25 EST› ›Kamaro> I follow the Internet, but didn't see Ben's mention of dropping an›issue of AC.  I've received my second issue, and I heard the subscriptions›are still trickling in.  Don't delay signing up, as I hear the back issues›may run out!› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 45        Fri Feb 19, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 07:40 EST› ›I got my disk a few weeks ago but I'm still waiting for the 2nd issue!››What's in the 2nd issue anyway?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 46        Fri Feb 19, 1993›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 09:10 EST› ›I got my second issue of AC the other day. Looking good! Still hoping that›there wont be ANY dropped issue this summer - as posted by Ben in the ›Internet. If I can find the message he posted, I'll upload it here for all to›read.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 47        Fri Feb 19, 1993›L.MCCLURE                    at 23:35 EST› › ANIMATSURI [Atarian]:››I have not read all of the second issue yet, but among other things,  it has›a very interesting review of SIO2PC. If you also have a PC in  the house, it›sounds like this is a "gotta have it" item.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 48        Sat Feb 20, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 06:11 EST› ›I think it is already in the library.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 49        Sun Feb 21, 1993›E.HALLIWELL                  at 00:05 EST› ›Has anyone else examined the LOAD program on the AC's first disk?  The one›that loads the title screen?››MY GOD!  What the !(@&"(!? was whoever wrote that thinking?!?!?!››If you have a disk subscription to AC and you haven't examined this program,›do so ASAP... it'll blow your mind!› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 50        Sun Feb 21, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 06:51 EST› ›E.HALLIWELL:››Why? Is the loader a classic example of kludge programing???  ;^)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 51        Fri Feb 26, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 06:51 EST› ›Just got my copy of AC yesterday! I wonder if they got thier minimum 500›subscribers yet?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 52        Sat Feb 27, 1993›E.HALLIWELL                  at 02:05 EST› ›No, it's not kludge programming.  I'm convinced the "programmer"›intentionally made the loader as weird and confusing as possible.  Load it! ›Look at it!  Tear your hair out!› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 53        Sat Feb 27, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 12:23 EST› ›Yeah, I've now seen Ben's Internet post where he indicates he may have to›drop an issue.  It sounds like a case of pure economics: a lot more people›promised they would sign up for AC (by returning Jeff McWilliams' post card)›than have actually signed up.  The magic 500 number has *not* been reached›yet, but subscriptions have been trickling in (I thought I heard we have›greater than 400 now). Please pass the word on to friends: if AC fails, it›will not be due to lack of support by Ben, but due to lack of response from›those who promised to subscribe.  But don't just wait by the sidelines›thinking "Well I'll subscribe if it looks like they'll make it" - that's a›self-fulfilling prophecy for failure. Once again, these are my thoughts, not›an official release from AC.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 54        Sat Feb 27, 1993›T.MCCOMB                     at 15:23 EST› ›Of the original 615 who returned postcards stating that they'd subscribe if›it was produced- only _200_ actually subscribed!  The other 200 or so›subscriptions have come from people who had nothibng to do with the original›postcard campaign (like me!).››Now if those other 415 "definate subscribers" would make good on their›promise the magazine could almost double in size.››Get people to subscribe!›› -Tom McComb›  [3:20 pm]  Saturday, February 27, 1993››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 55        Sat Feb 27, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 19:22 EST› ›So that's about 85 people more that we need. Maybe some nice stores will buy›up the rest of the subscriptions and sell them on their storefront for those›that don't know about AC yet.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 56        Sat Feb 27, 1993›M.SPRINGER5                  at 19:45 EST› ›I WOULD LIKE TO SUB  SRIIBE     CRIBE I LEARN TO A LOT MORE WITH TYPE- SETTER›THEN D.T.P.ING , LIKE DESIGNING BUTTONS 1 OR 2 DESIGNS ON THE SAME PRINT  OUT›I CAN TEACH OTHERS PLUSE    A NEW TRICK I LER AERNED WITH R.S. AND M.P.II›PLUS TO MAH KE M SMALL CLOTH BANNERS. AND THE ATS NOT ALL ! A USING N.R.›GRAPHICS TO DESIGN  T-SHIRTS.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 57        Mon Mar 01, 1993›E.HALLIWELL                  at 01:41 EST› ›Uhh...could we have the English translation of that?  :)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 58        Tue Apr 20, 1993›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 20:25 EDT› ›I got the April 93 AC today in the mail.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 59        Thu Apr 22, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 21:34 EDT› ›Just got my April 93 AC though the mail too. AC didn't have many good things›to say about the 8bit RT here though.››ci$ wouldn't be sitting so high on their list if BOB.PUFF was SysOp here›instead of there. Message traffic was pretty high here Bob hung out here›exclusively. Maybe what we need is more "full time 8bit user" sysops running›this RT instead of the "part timers" we have running this place now. I don't›mean to cut anyone down but anyone can see this whole RT is a pretty D EAD›place compared to what it used to be 2-3 years ago...› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 60        Thu Apr 22, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 21:41 EDT› ›Not as far as traffic goes, just posters.  The message setup here doesn't›encourage the "rambling" conversations they have on CIS, true, but I haven't›noticed more actual 8 bit traffic.  They also get lots of "how do I download›this file?" or similar questions that we get in private feedback here (from›the option on page 665).››What is it that you want to see here?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 61        Fri Apr 23, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 20:58 EDT› › Yeah, I think most people are looking for a GURU as the 8-bit sigop, someone›who knows all and wants to see further 8-bit development. There aren't too›many GURUs left I fear.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 62        Fri Apr 23, 1993›J.MCGOWAN15 [Watson]         at 22:10 EDT› ›The file category on GEnie for the 8 bit seems to be doing pretty damn well!›Good files... nice files... and it seems (to me at least) a  resurgence in›the past six months.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 63        Sat Apr 24, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 05:16 EDT› ›I think Glenn has hit upon what I was driving at. People like Pab, Jeff›Potter, & Bob PUff(if he wasn't already taken by ci$) would make good sysops›here since they are still active producing stuff for the 8bit & would be more›liely to be looked up to as 8bit GURUs that people would like to "talk" to.›All this is just MHO of course...› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 64        Sat Apr 24, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 23:32 EDT› ›But would they have time?  I spend at least an hour a day doing this during›the week, more on the weekends.  Since we all have real jobs (those of us›that don't live at home), our spare time is limited.  If they are spending›their available spare time programming, when are they supposed to do this? ›Besides, Pab and Jeff are pretty darned active here as it is.  One or both of›them can be found in the RTC almost every week, and they both post plenty of›messages. How would that change?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 65        Sun Apr 25, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 03:19 EDT› ›The difference between Pab and Jeff and a Puff is that Pab and Jeff's most›recent programs haven't been the kind of programs people are clamoring for.›Don't get me wrong, I value their work.  I'm playing around with colorview›and am following the .QWK deal a lot. But if someone was working on a ZIPPER›or Zmodem or Fax software or some of the other wish list stuff, then I think›you'd see more activity. I just think it is an overall vibe. 8-bitters have a›very big inferiority complex and when they see that the area is absorbed with›the ST area, as it kinda is here and on Delphi, and run by people who aren't›100% e 8-bit, it just sets up a wrong vibe It does with me since I am used to›BBSing on 8-bit boards, some of which run by GURUs such as PUFF, though the›gurus. don't reply to feedback too often, hehehe. I think GEnie is pretty›good right now, but I dunno. I just think an 8-bit sysop on an online service›has to do more than just be a sympathetic listener. There has to be SOMETHING›HAPPENING. Like if the sysop said, OKAY, GENIE is going to get an ALADDIN›written for the 8-bit, etc... There is an overall vibe here that this sig›means NOTHING to GEnie. It isn't really listed in the literature sent out to›us. No news is ever presented about it outside of the group. I mean, this›does produce an atmosphere. I don't know how much of it is unavoidable at›this juncture, but facts are facts. Especially when you consider what it›costs per hour to hang around here, there better be something unique and›worth while going on. The "free" download is an honest gesture I guess,›though the files are pretty stale. If you want an explanation of the›situation I think that pretty much sums it up. Kamaro_kid on Delphi just took›the sigop post and I wouldn't be surprised if he gave GEnie a run for its›money, albeit it seems they wouldn't lose TOO much if everyone defected.›GEnie should realize that Delphi's 8-bit area has been dormant out of›neglect, but that the service itself is cheaper with more features and is a›faster easier to use interface (praying this message doesn't get deleted›<g>). Sure, there are only like 10 users there now, but the guy in charge is›a long time 8-bit sigop and he has some big plans for the area, essentially›he is going to DO something actively to fix things there and seems to have a›goal and such, and definitely has a different personal slant on the machine.›The vibe over there is getting BETTER AND BETTER]› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 66        Sun Apr 25, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 07:35 EDT› ›What he said.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 67        Sun Apr 25, 1993›FLACK [John & Anne]          at 16:55 EDT› ›Come on now - of course this RT is slowing down - our machines aren't being›made anymore (at least in the US), they are obsolete, the software is harder›and harder to find - etc, etc.  Not that they aren't still used and loved.  I›am a long time 800XL user (my original machine, a 400, is in the attic,›waiting to be classified as a valuable antique), and the XL has a place of›honor in my living room, but I am writing this with PCAladdin on my new›486SX.  Why? Because Aladdin, like many great programs, doesn't and can't run›on 8-bit hardware.  But I do use the XL - for instance Windows fonts can't›come close to Daisy Dot III fonts on my 9-pin printer.  And I learned about›Daisy Dot in Atari Classics Magazine (to bring us back to the topic)›   --John› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 68        Sun Apr 25, 1993›P.SUNGENIS1 [Pab]            at 23:29 EDT› ›Well, I'm going to be contributing to AC in the upcoming months.  And to stay›on topic...a few comments.››About the "dream street" projects?  Really now!  KERMIT in BobTerm?!?  Kermit›was outdated in 1988!  A few of the projects are much too difficult to›approach, some are outdated, and a few are ridiculous.  If you want people to›produce, set reasonable and forward-looking goals.››As for the Unzipper and ZModem (I guess they'd qualify for the "dream›street") better men than I (Puff) have (has) attempted an Unzipper before. ›The main problem is that the older formats of ZIP require a 90K hash›table...which would require (realistically) a 256K machine. I hate to say it,›but that's still a niche market.  Worse yet, ZIP changed formats this year,›and the new process is still proprietary.  *sigh*››Add to that the fact that no >=256K upgrade for any of the 8-bits follows the›exact same bank maps as any other.  Some upgrades would end up left out in›the cold, I would think.››As for ZModem, well...I DO have the complete Protocol Documentation, and HAVE›written a header file (actually translated the C one included with the docs)›in ACTION! for it.  But then, it will end up being too big for BobTerm and›would require its own program.  (Especially to add the hooks for the›autotransfers.) It's possible, but it would take months, if not more than a›year, of writing, and most of us have to keep the money flowing in somehow›and have other projects crying for completion.  (Add to that the fact that in›the 8-bit community, ShareWare does NOT work; ask Puff.  Why do you think›he's "gone commercial?")››The GEnie SysOps (to conclude this threadlet, hopefully) have what's for the›most part an administrative duty. They can't force GE to stop treating us›like the "poor relations" on the system.  And why would Jeff or I do any›better a job if we were SysOps?  You'd still need someone in here "stirring›up" things and contributing. That's not a SysOp's job; the users have to do›it.  Not to knock Bob, but the main reason CI$'s Atari8 is flourishing is›there are more users there.››I'll tell you what: you get 30 people through either GE Mail or the Internet›(p.sungenis1@genie.geis.com) to tell me that they'd shell out $30.00 to›register an 8-bit version (it would have to be slightly limited, I'm afraid)›of ZModem, and I'll see what I can do.  It takes more than authors to keep a›system alive...it takes users willing to support those authors!› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 69        Mon Apr 26, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:05 EDT› ›I agree, the AC movement, started by Jeff Mcwilliams, is a model of what has›to be done. People have to put their money where their mouth is. 8-bitters›are spoiled by shareware they pick up and never contribute. Which is›contradictory because some of them are willing to pay exorbidant online time›on this and the CI$ online services. If they want something more besides idle›chat, it would be in their best interest to cough up some money beforehand›and coax a programmer to spend some time on it. I know I would. If certain›"movements" were made, and followed through, I think this method would work.›As for Zmodem, I happen to know Tom Hunt is working on a new Term program, at›least in principle, which would load in Protocols modularly when needed, so›memory would not be that much of a problem. And as for Zip, I heard someone›HAD finished it, so it is doable. Puff told me personally the reason he›didn't finish the Zip thing was because standards were changing so fast he›didn't think it would be worth it, this was at the time when it was moving›from v.1 to v.5 quickly. He did mention the lookup tables being big, but that›wouldn't have stopped him I think. Talking about a guy who makes a LAN system›for the 8-bits, what else could be a "nich" market? <using a MUX right now by›the way>. I think the Kermit crap was a joke, though. But there are some›undisputed things we could use. And the lack of a high ram banked standard is›a problem. We should settle on something, or maybe narrow it down so that›some applications can work on a 256K RAMBO, or NEWELL of that or greater›size, perhaps using a config sys depending on the bank method. Instead of›simply picking a bank system and hard coding it in to see only THAT method›like most programs do.› I just get impatient to see less stuff happen for us than what has been done›for other platform.s there have been a lot of injustices to the 8-bits›through the years, such that it is now up to us to optimize the machine, part›of which means creating a banked ram standard and creating a core of›utilities that will by hard drive ready, sparta or MYDOS ready, and banked›ram supporting. Because I for one would not see many limitations in a 1 MEG›XE and a database or WP that invisibly banked through things, enough room for›whatever ya want.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 70        Mon Apr 26, 1993›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 22:51 EDT› ›OK.  I'm on both CIS and GEnie.  I've done reviews on the 8-bit coverage for›both in Current Notes.  I am on both every day as a part of my CN duties and›some work I'm doing for a wargaming conference (see pages 805 and 935 as well›as "go gamers").››Craig should already know my thoughts on all this since I have been "working"›with Darlah on this situation for the past year.  Now I'm totally immersed›with CN stuff, so I don't have the time I used to work the situation.››As to where we stand right now, there is a ton more action here than in "go›atari8."  So be happy.  I think I post more messages there, now.  To be›honest, I feel things are turning around on GEnie.››As for Ben Poehland's comments in AC, he isn't that crazy about GEnie and›doesn't have a CIS account.  I make it a point to be totally objective in›Current Notes.  There are strength and weaknesses for both GEnie and CIS.›That's why I pay to belong to both.  (Actually, CIS gave me a free flag,›since I'm "press.")››It's OK with me if Craig wants to ahare some of the ideas I've given Darlah›to make things better here.  At least I've taken the time to try to work›things with the management a bit.››CIS is kind of at a low point right now.  Of course the file section here has›always been better.››If someone would take me up on my offer to let them write a column or article›on how to use GEnie better from an 8-bit perspective, I think that would›help.  (What did you do with that e-mail I sent you a while back on this,›Craig?)  Lou Rocha's writing a monthly column for CN on ST stuff.  WE also›have a CIS guy who writes a monthly column for the ST/CIS angle.  I do the›best I can, but could use some help.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 71        Tue Apr 27, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 02:47 EDT› ›Speaking of AC's Dream Street, what the heck is a "PAL Programmer"?››Things I'd like to see on it--› A new audio digitizer (the Parrot and Covox are incredibly scarce and in›demand)› A word processor which uses banked RAM transparently to the user› A Floptical driver for the Black Box› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 72        Tue Apr 27, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 06:52 EDT› ›To be honest, I don't remember the email.  If you'd like to remind me, I'd be›happy to hear it.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 73        Tue Apr 27, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 07:43 EDT› ›$30 from 30 users for an 8bit version of Zmodem? Can anyone post that›challenge by PAB on the internet?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 74        Tue Apr 27, 1993›FLACK [John & Anne]          at 23:00 EDT› ›There is a good reason for adding a Kermit protocol to BobTerm. Some›mainframes (especially IBMs) have few or no other non- propriatary file›transfer protocols.  Kermit runs on almost every thing, and is free so most›installations are willing to install it.››About Floptical support:› Since at least one of the Floptical drives is a SCSI device, there seems to›be no reason why it can't be connected to a MIO or a Black Box.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 75        Wed Apr 28, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 03:23 EDT› ›But since BOBTERM lacks a good VT100 emulation it wouldn't be used for›mainframes anyway so the point is moot. As for the PAL programmer, these›items could be used, as Jeff McWilliams has told me, to produce new PBI›devices such as an 80 collumn card (are you listening Chuck S.???) or even a›rip off of the 1090XL PBI interface box. Since it is used to create chips›that do not contain ram, only a ton of relays and stuff. Not having them›available makes things lke the BLack Box and stuff have a ton of extra stock›buffer chips and what not to make up for not being able to make one custom›chip.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 76        Thu Apr 29, 1993›D.PATERSON2 [Dave]           at 00:23 EDT› ›Speech digitizer: check out the old Antic one; it works pretty well.   For an›expanded RAM WP that's transparent, look at PaperClip 2.1: on a 256k machine›you've got a RAM-based dictionary and 110k (I tink) free -  all the bank›switching is COMPLETELY transparent to the user.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 77        Thu Apr 29, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 03:28 EDT› ›The Antic Sampling Processor produces adequate sound, but the paddle A/D›circuitry doesn't operate quickly enough to record really high-quality sound.›Otherwise everyone else would use it too.››CSS needs to put out an audio digitizer.››And Textpro really should do transparent banking.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 78        Fri Apr 30, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 20:40 EDT› ›  To support Rick Reasers comments.... Things are not exactly going›gangbusters on TOS... the difference in the way the database is constructed›sometimes gives the effect that there are tons of messages flying, which›isn't true.  Also, since Email here is totally free (no network charges in›most areas), I would think many more conversations are being held that way (I›know I see as many as 30-40 email msgs at a time).››G.Saunders: I used 2 PALs on my video card, and come to think of virtually›all products I have designed in the past 5 years have some sort of›programmable logic (although PALs are obsolete these days).  There just›wasn't any intrest in the MV80 (4-5 requests).››My experience is that the average GEnie user who is experiencing›difficulties, uses the "REPLY TO SYSOP" option, rather than posting a message›in the BB, so many of those novice questions don't get into the database.››Ben Pohland is biased on certain subjects and people, and doesn't hide it (or›try).  All these negative comments about people/companies/services don't do›squat to improve things. There are many positive things happening which are›ommited, because  there isn't room, or that the source is 'blacklisted'.››I am currently developing no less than 4 8-bit products, and have ideas for›many more.  No, I do not develop soley for the 8-bit, but I don't live at my›parent's, and do have a family which comes first.››How many people would use something like a PAL programmer?  I have the source›code for the PAL Logic compiler from MMI, and PALs themselves are pretty easy›animals to program.... but  only selling 5 units wouldn't cut it... pretty›specialized.  I would think it would be better to use a generic Serial›programmer, and just develop the interface and compiler code.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 79        Fri Apr 30, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 23:59 EDT› ›See? This place probably would see more messages posted here if we where›placed as a Basic Service. GEnie wouldn't lose to much money either since›they can still make it charging time for downloads like they do already.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 80        Sat May 01, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 01:15 EDT› ›I think that Textpro remark landed in the wrong topic...› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 81        Sat May 01, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 08:36 EDT› ›Roger on that.  Textpro discussion has been moved to category 5, topic 33,›where it is more appropriate.  Please continue it there.  Thanks.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 82        Sun May 02, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 04:37 EDT› ›Okay, well, let's get this straightened out. When I first got onto GEnie and›saw the threads regarding all the DataQue products I was really excited. Then›I read through and found out that the T816 was essentially dead in the water›and the mv80 just kind of fizzled, and that the C8 cart was finished but›mysteriously unreleased?!? Now I can tell you straight off there is interest›for the C cart. I posted about it on the PRO and Carina net and several users›got interested. I can't vouch for the mv80. It just seems as "if you market›it, they will come". Especially if something exists that could fill a big 8-›bit gap, namely a TRUE ANSI C language. I have no interest in ragging on›DataQue as a company. But it pains me to see such innovative things get MADE›and not be available at all, and so few applications written for the cool›hardware. If more people were aware of the stuff, I think you would see more›people interested in them. You can't hope to sell stuff simply by waiting by›the phone.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 83        Tue May 04, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 00:13 EDT› ›The C cart was *never* finished, only the cross-compiler for the PC. I am not›waiting by the phone, most of the time it is busy, taking orders from people›with money.  I would call less than 1% of all inquiries to be too small to›make it worth the effort for any product. Last years sales were up alsmost›50% from the previous year, and I wouldn't be suprised to exceed 1M gross by›1995.   All products and services are based soley on intrest and›practicality.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 84        Tue May 04, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 03:40 EDT› ›So what's your best seller?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 85        Tue May 04, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 07:37 EDT› ›So what are you saying, Chuck? That most of your 8bit products have no intest›or practicality?  ;^)  <run away!>› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 86        Tue May 04, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 23:49 EDT› ›EH: T816 overall, TK currently (since T816 is waiting on WDC to get their act›together, it is currently not available).››A: Don't know what you mean... the products we were discussing were those›which were nixed due to no intrest, hardly what I would consider even a›fraction of 'most' of the products as you imply.››This is hardly the place for this, considering it doesn't really have›anything to do with AC, except for the previously mentioned slant.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 87        Wed May 05, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 01:23 EDT› ›Well, then what did you mean when I talked to you (Chuck) during a conference›and I asked you about the C8 cart? "What happened to the C8 cart?" CH="I›finished it, I use it all the time for my personal programming, but I don't›want to sell it." This is the 8-bit not the T816 version. Did I misread what›you were talking about? I also followed the DQ thread regarding the C cart›and that too seemed to suggest that C8 was done, and just the T816 version›was undone. What is the scoop?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 88        Wed May 05, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 22:28 EDT› ›You must have completely been in left field, as I was talking about the cross-›compile version... as mentioned a few messages back, I do virtually all›development on a PC host.  It was never called C8 either. I will re-read all›the messages in the CAT: to see if I pick up anything which indicates that›the TC8 cart was coded.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 89        Wed May 05, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 23:24 EDT› ›C8 Cshmee 8, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. I do recall›plainly you talking of a completed cartridge. You talked about it being a›bank switched cart and stuff. Didn't sound like it was for the IBM to me.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 90        Thu May 06, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 21:13 EDT› ›I scanned the whole database, no mention of a completed TC8.  A banked›cartridge was indicated as the very initial spec of the project, as it was›clear that the runtime library alone would exceed 32K.  Every message in the›TC8 Topic clearly indicated that I was working and talking about the cross-›compiler version.  End of discussion in this CAT:TOP.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 91        Sat May 08, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 14:14 EDT› ›(wow..bunch of messages in the last couple of weeks)...about that PAL›programmer.  It seems to me to be a lost cause.  I have seen makers of these›things come and go.  And even the biggest/best programmers have their›problems. There are more than a dozen manufacturers of PALs (National makes›the one in the 800XL used as the memory management unit) and no two devices›program in the same way.  Even upgraded versions of the same part by the same›vendor don't program the same. And the instructions on how to program them›are not generally available.  So finding a generic programmer which uses a›serial interface is probably the shortest route.  These are not generally›very cheap...› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 92        Sat May 08, 1993›FLACK [John & Anne]          at 19:31 EDT› ›Chuck,›  Where can I get the cross compiler for the PC?  Is it ANSI C? Does it›produce an executable that I can transfer from my PC to my Atari 800XL and›run like any other program, or is it some form of p- code, requiring a›runtime system?  I would love to port some good programs.››  --John› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 93        Sun May 09, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:29 EDT› ›I told you, Chuck, that people are still interested in the C stuff.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 94        Sun May 09, 1993›DATAQUE.1 [Chuck]            at 02:07 EDT› ›  JDP:  I have the programming flowcharts and source code for programming›standard PALs (and compiling the logic).  It does require significantly more›accurate timing than EPROMs do, which is why there are so many compatibility›problems.   Ideally, PEELs or GALs would be better, since you can reprogram›them (or EPLDs if you wanna go big-time).  I have the GAL20V10 series›flowcharts, but no logic compiler (since they have macrocell outputs, they›need a more complex compiler).› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 95        Mon Jul 12, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 02:40 EDT› ›I just got my copy of AC #3 and found the editorial pretty wierd since it›seems to be saying "unless the 8bit RT here gives a AC staffer a sysop status›we're (GEnie Atari 8bit RT) aren't supporting AC enough?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 96        Mon Jul 12, 1993›CRAIG.S.THOM [RT*SysOp]      at 10:55 EDT› ›I'd be interested in seeing that.››Here is the total of communications I have had with AC: many, many months ago›a representative asked for their own category and library here.  I told them›that was a great idea, but, since there has been a history of support›categories not panning out, that we should watch this topic to see if the›traffic justified having their own category.  That was the last I have heard›from them.››They have on occasion uploaded file here (or had them uploaded), but they›have been conspicuously absent from this topic, even though I told them where›it was.››The final decisions aren't mine, but I can't see the point in giving a "free›flag" to someone who uses it as a threat.  If they really wanted to support›the users here, they would have made some effort.  They have done nothing to›indicate that they have any desire to do so.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 97        Mon Jul 12, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 23:05 EDT› ›Atarian> you missed an AC; the one arriving now is #4 (June).››And as a generic plug: anyone wishing to write articles for AC in the areas›of graphics or entertainment, please contact me for information.››I'm also open for advice on what AC should cover in those areas (or any›others).  Please, chime in.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 98        Tue Jul 13, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 01:36 EDT› ›Jeff> I have the magazine in my hands right now, it's labled Vol.2 No.3 June›1993.  I still have no idea why AD seems so hostile towards the 8bit RT here.››With the way the mail here in Hawaii moves around, I'll probably be getting›#4 of AC just as everyone is #5... ;^)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 99        Tue Jul 13, 1993›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 02:38 EDT› ›As for Ben's feelings towards this BB, I think his impressions were formed›awhile back, during the dark ages.  It was a little bleak, some time ago. I›think that things have really picked up here the past few months and the›activity here is actually a lot better than the TOS, which didn't used to be›true.  The addition of the two new "Johns" will really be a great help as›well.  I'll talk to Ben.  I recommend that others do the same to express›their opinions about this as well.››BTW, the exact quote from the Jun '93 editorial in AC is:››"GEnie Lowers Rates››Good news for daytime GEnie users, GEnie recently lowered its PrimeTime›hourly rate to $18 to $12.50/hour.  (Seems to us the arithmetic would have›been simpler if they could have made it an even $12.00.)  We aren't sure ›whether this has anything to do with the recent rate reductions announced on›CompuServe (see April '93 AC, p. 30), but it sure is a step in the right›direction!  Now, if we could get some really motivated Classic Atari›enthusiasts to take charge of the Atari8 RoundTable over on GEnie *sigh*.›Hello Darlah, are you listening?"››The reason I reprinted this is to clear up a few things.  Ben didn't make any›threats.  He didn't mention the word "SysOp" or "FreeFlag."››My personal opinion is that the "motivation" here has really pick up here,›since say, last fall.››Ben's GEnie Mail address is:  b.poehland.  Let him know how you feel about›this directly if you have any problems about what he said.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 100       Tue Jul 13, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 11:09 EDT› ›You have to look a little further down after that little about GEnie.  The›"AC Editor Takes Charge At Delphi" while it doesn't directly say AC should›have a "SysOp" or "Freeflag" it does seem to give big hints at it...› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 101       Wed Jul 14, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:05 EDT› ›I don't think it has to be an AC editor, but someone with a little more›personal interest in the machine, who uses it on a daily basis and gathers›info and stuff outside of GEnie to help bring to users on GEnie rather than›running the 8-bit group out of some obligation. That is how it seems with›Delphi and GEnie, when the group is a sub-sig of the ST area. It isn't as›obvious here as it is on Delphi, but it is still the same thing. But at least›Delphi was smart enough to appoint a sub-sigop, Kamaro_kid... Aka Jim King,›as per my request.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 102       Wed Jul 14, 1993›J.HARRIS32 [John Harris]     at 02:34 EDT› › › >With the way the mail here in Hawaii moves around, I'll probably be getting›#4› >of AC just as everyone is #5... ;^)››Hey, what part of Hawaii are you in?  You've most likely seen some of my›work.  My new partner lives on Oahu, and I visit out there from time to time.›I did the Pro/Guide on screen TV guide software, CCAN (old technology), the›arrival/departure screens in both MAUI airports, and any message channels on›any of the cable systems or hotels.›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 103       Wed Jul 14, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 06:13 EDT› ›As a matter of fact I have!  I live on Oahu where we get CCAN(its run off of›a 130XE, right?) where we see ads and listen to the radio on the TV. I also›see the Pro/Guide channel anytime I want to see what's going on.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 104       Wed Jul 14, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 06:16 EDT› ›I'd tend to agree with you there Glenn but it doesn't seem a like anybody›here(that fits your description) wants the job... ;^)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 105       Wed Jul 14, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 22:42 EDT› ›Atarian> Vol.2 No.3 is issue no. 4.  The first issue (Dec.92) was Vol.1 No.1;›the second was Vol.2 No.1, etc.  Seems odd, but the rest of the magazines do›it that way too.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 106       Thu Jul 15, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 00:20 EDT› ›Craig,››Could the subscription info be put in the header for this topic?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 107       Thu Jul 15, 1993›B.MARCUM [Bill]              at 06:07 EDT› ›How many issues have there been so far?  How much do back issues cost?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 108       Thu Jul 15, 1993›JDPOTTER [Jeff]              at 23:16 EDT› ›Bill> four issues so far.  Back issues cost $3 for the mag or disk (assuming›within USA).› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 109       Fri Jul 16, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 00:42 EDT› ›How about John Harris as 8-bit area manager???› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 110       Fri Jul 16, 1993›J.HARRIS32 [John Harris]     at 01:51 EDT› ›Atarian,››What do you think of the new Pro/Guide screens?  That's done with my latest›character generator software, and is run from a 130XE too of course.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 111       Fri Jul 16, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 04:46 EDT› ›Where can Pro/Guide be seen?  Heck, can you upload some of yer more awesome›stuff here???› <drool>› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 112       Fri Jul 16, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 22:30 EDT› ›I <turning on channel 12> like the Pro/Guide a lot.  Like you said, I can see›what's going on with each channel in less than a few moments. Also, as a›matter of fact I do turn to the Pro/Guide during comercials to see whatelse›is showing on the other channels.  The announcements are also a good feature.› ie: "Turn to channel 36! Disney Channel is free for the weekend"››The Oceanic logo on the top of the screen looks pretty slick too.››Do you use a R-Time 8 to keep the date & time right on CCAN & Pro/Guide?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 113       Sun Jul 18, 1993›J.HARRIS32 [John Harris]     at 02:48 EDT› ›I think I can put together some static screen shots.  But you won't be able›to see the interesting channel transitions.››Some of the logos came out great, including oceanic.  If you ever get to›Kauai, ckeck out the logo for Garden Isle CableVision.››Pro/Guide doesn't have a clock, since data is downloaded every day, we just›update the time too.  The VBI clock is adjusted to keep accurate time anyway.›The other CG programs have a clock chip on the same board I install the›software on.›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 114       Mon Jul 19, 1993›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 02:21 EDT› ›How does your program compare to Pab Sungenis' MBoard 2000?  We ran a review›of that by Mike Todd in Current Notes a few months ago.  Should we be›reviewing your program as well for the magazine?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 115       Tue Jul 20, 1993›S.SNYDER10                   at 03:22 EDT› › Quoting› R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 02:21 EDT›› > How does your program compare to Pab Sungenis' MBoard 2000?  We ran a›review› >of that by Mike Todd in Current Notes a few months ago.  ›› Hay Rick, from some to the things I've read in J H's postings it looks as›though he's gone that next step with multi-color fonts and scrolls, things›which Pab has layed the foundation for in his program but has not yet›implemented.  I too would be interested in seeing it.  ›› The piece on SBM should be in the can by Wednesday...What I need really need›is 4 or 5 extra hours to a day...These 60+ hour weeks are gonna kill me...but›hay, buisness is good!›› Mike› ---› * Gmail 1.05 Beta *››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 116       Tue Jul 20, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 23:08 EDT› ›Is this MBoard 2000 an Amiga program?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 117       Wed Jul 21, 1993›S.SNYDER10                   at 00:25 EDT› › Quoting› ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 23:08 EDT›› > Is this MBoard 2000 an Amiga program?› >›› Message Board 2000 was written by Pab Sungenis for the Atari 8bit.  Should›run on any Atari with at least 48k of memory but does require the use of›SpartaDos 3.2 or 4.0 and Turbobasic 3.2q.  Mboard 2000 and TB32q can be found›right here on GEnie...Mboard is file #6259 and TB32q is file #6286.  There's›a review of Mboard 2000 in the May issue of Current Notes.  Having used it›myself, I can tell you its a very nice little program.›› Mike› ---› * Gmail 1.05 Beta *››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 118       Wed Jul 21, 1993›J.MCGOWAN15 [Watson]         at 19:16 EDT› ›If it requires Sparta 3.2d and Turbo32q, it demands an XL/XE system (just for›the Sparta)... or does it run under the 800 version of Turbo (also up on›GEnie) on 48K systems? (the TB32q is just a modified version of the 800›turbo, that did not use RAM under OS, to make it work with Sparta).› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 119       Fri Jul 23, 1993›S.SNYDER10                   at 23:15 EDT› › Quoting› J.MCGOWAN15 [Watson]         at 19:16 EDT›› > If it requires Sparta 3.2d and Turbo32q, it demands an XL/XE system (just›for› >the Sparta)... ›› I'm told that TB32q will run on an 800.  However, Mboard uses the SpartaDos›TD vector (under O.S.).  In order to run Mboard on an 800 you'd have to›modify the Mboard code to use the Z: handler.  I never did try and modify the›code to run Mboard under any other Dos, though Pab does stress in his doc's›that it should be no real problem to do.›› Mike› ---› * Gmail 1.05 Beta *›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 120       Sat Jul 24, 1993›J.MCGOWAN15 [Watson]         at 01:06 EDT› ›TP32q is designed for Sparta... it is a modification of an old TURBO800 (up›on GEnie). The Turbo800 is designed (with Dos2.x?) to run on the 48K 800 (as›this old programme did not use ram under OS, it was modified by Tom Hunt to›work with Sparta... hence the TB32q)› (These only leave about 22K of memory for basic programmes and variables!)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 121       Sat Jul 24, 1993›S.SNYDER10                   at 19:20 EDT› › Quoting› J.MCGOWAN15 [Watson]         at 01:06 EDT›› > TP32q is designed for Sparta... it is a modification of an old TURBO800›(up on› >GEnie). ›› When I did the testing for Mboard, not having an 800 myself, I sent a copy›to a fellow group member who did.  What I was told was, that after modifing›the the clock/date code to process the RTCLOK at $12,13 and 14, you had about›8k left when you ran the program.  I just got off the phone picking his brain›a little more... seems that he did in fact use the older version of  TB, not›32q (damn I hate when people don't tell me everything). Mboard itself will›run on an 800 but he said he'd had trouble using the Z: handler, thats why›the change to the processed RTCLOK.  Now for the bad news...seems he didn't›like the program, had no use for it and it was already in the archives›anyway, so he formatted over the disk I'd sent him. He did say that the mod›was not all that hard to do, but I seem to recall that the time/date was›handled in an ML string in the program.  Been a while since I last looked at›the code so I could be wrong.›› Mike›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 122       Sun Jul 25, 1993›J.HARRIS32 [John Harris]     at 02:11 EDT› ›I haven't seen the MBoard program, but I read the doc file awhile ago. From›what I remember, the program is for the same general application as what I›do, but is nowhere near as advanced.››My program isn't available as a software-only program, so most of you won't›likely get a chance to see it.  I think I will try to create some screen›snapshots and upload them here.››Are there any Graphics 8 paint program formats?  Hopefully something that›includes DLI support?  Otherwise, I suppose I can write my own loader.  On a›related note, what Gr.8 paint programs exist of any kind?››Thanks,›  John›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 123       Sun Jul 25, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 15:05 EDT› ›I know of no paint programs that let you define and move DLIs around. I wish›there were! It doesn't sound impossible to do. Move the trackball to a point,›and click. DLI enabled, pick 4 new colors. It would be great.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 124       Sun Jul 25, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 19:07 EDT› ›Glenn, there are at least two paint programs that let you define DLIs--›RAMBrandt, and Fun With Art.››John, for my viewer Pantheon View, I store GR.8 screens in compressed›MicroIllustrator format, with registers 708 and 712 set to zero as a flag.››I do the same thing with GR.9, with 708, 708, and 710 set to zero.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 125       Mon Jul 26, 1993›J.MCGOWAN15 [Watson]         at 19:10 EDT› ›SOmewhere (though I have never used it) I believe I have a Gr.8 drawing›programme (gotta search.... I believe it is in TurboBasic!... from Europe and›I may have gotten if from GEnie!, if not, when I find it, I will upload it!)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 126       Tue Jul 27, 1993›J.HARRIS32 [John Harris]     at 00:19 EDT› › › >Glenn, there are at least two paint programs that let you define DLIs--› >RAMBrandt, and Fun With Art.››And also Graphics Magician.›› >John, for my viewer Pantheon View, I store GR.8 screens in compressed› >MicroIllustrator format, with registers 708 and 712 set to zero as a flag.››If it doesn't support DLI's, then I'll still have to write a loader. Which›shouldn't take that long, but it still has to wait it's turn in the queue.›› > Gr.8 drawing programs...››I have something called RDRAW, but it only works with DOS 2.5, and it not›very good anyway.›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 127       Tue Jul 27, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 10:45 EDT› ›John,››I started a TOPic in this CAT with your name on it.  It comes complete with a›few questions.  ;^)› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 128       Tue Jul 27, 1993›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 21:26 EDT› ›Believe it or not, Diamond Paint can read GR8 pics.  DP is a mouse based›graphics drawing program.  I'm not sre what format is saves in.  The viewer›is here in the GEnie Library for Diamond Cartridge Users.  I think it's c›called View8.  Current Notes ran an article about Diamond a few issues by›Kevin Packard who programs for Diamond.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 129       Sun Aug 15, 1993›L.ESTEP1 [Lawrence-AC]       at 20:15 EDT› ›This is to let AC readers know the status of the August issue.››The August AC is now finished, and the entire press run is in the hands of›our Publisher.  Under ordinary circumstances, the mailing would have already›commenced by now.››However, a postal audit is scheduled for August 17, and the entire August›press run must be held for examination by the postal authorities.  So the›mailing will be delayed until August 18 at the very earliest.››If this all sounds a bit mysterious, that's because the postal audit & all›the voodoo that goes with it are just part of the rituals the post office›imposes upon ANY publication that seeks to upgrade its mail service to 2nd›Class.  I can assure you, it has been a *tremendous* amount of work- & major›headeaches- for both me and our Publisher.  And it will probably result in a›delay of our August mailing.  So I'm going to ask all of AC's readers to be›patient while I'm biting my nails awaiting the outcome of next week's audit.››Supplications to appropriate deities, burnt sacrifices to the Postal Gods, or›prayers to the Great Cosmic Muffin in behalf of AC will be much appreciated›at this time.  Great labors were performed to prepare for this event, we have›done our very best, & now we await Judgement From On High.››I can only hope AC will withstand the rigors of the audit.››I also wish I was better at waiting...››      - BEN POEHLAND›        Managing Editor›        ATARI CLASSICS Magazine››******************************************************************************›* *S› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 130       Sun Aug 15, 1993›L.ESTEP1 [Lawrence-AC]       at 20:33 EDT› ›This letter is in reply to all GEnie user's questions and concerns that have›been raised in this message area:››Atari Classics policy is to provide support on CompuServe, Delphi, and GEnie›via Electronic Mail and the message areas of the 8-bit sigs on these›networks. Due to severe time constraints, Ben's resources have been stretched›to their fullest over the past several months and that is why he has not had›an active presence here.  Y››You have to remember that everyone on the AC staff basically works for free›and that all of us have regular jobs and responsibilities that we have to›devote time to as well.  Most of Ben's time is spent actually getting the›magazine in your hands on time every other month and he has delegated other›AC staff to handle the various duties of responding to user letters and›questions and reviewing article submissions whenever possible.  The best way›to reach him is via postal mail or Electronic Mail with Internet being the›fastest way to receive a response.››I am Telecommunications Editor and have the primary responsibility of›maintaining communications with the network communities.  This is something›that I am trying hard to do.  Do to some account problems beyond my control I›have been offline for the most part since late May and am trying my best to›get b[ack on track and caught up on things.  My time is limited, however, and›with my resources being divided between 3 computer networks and the various›local BBS's all across the country that I try to visit, my presence may not›be seen as much as it should be sometimes.  I do respond to all Electronic›Mail that is sent to me, however, and will continue to do so.  I will also›try to visit this topic much more often from now on and will continue to keep›everyone updated on what is happening with Atari Classics.  I will also›encourage all of the AC staff members that have GEnie accounts to visit here›more frequently.››I am extremely encouraged to see the renewed interest that has been recently›occurring here in the message areas and am glad to see some new faces around›here.  This is definitely good for the 8-bit community.››Listed below are the GEnie addresses for AC staff members.  Please feel free›to address comments and questions to te person most qualified to answer it›and thanks again for your continued interest and support of Atari Classics!››-Lawrence Estep› AC Telecommunications Editor››GEnie AC staff list (updated 3/30/93):››Educational Software Editor - Barton Bresnik (B.BRESNIK) Hardware Editor -›Charles Cole (C.COLE1) Telecommunications Editor - Lawrence Estep (L.ESTEP1)›AC Software Disk Editor - Steve Hoffee (S.HOFFEE2) "The Fitting Room"›columnist - Mike Jewison (M.JEWISON) User Group Exchange Editor - Jim King›(J.KING73) Managing Editor - Ben Poehland (B.POEHLAND) Graphics/Entertainment›Software Editor - Jeff Potter (JDPOTTER) Advertising Editor - Bob Scholar›(R.SCHOLAR)›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 131       Tue Aug 17, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 21:40 EDT› ›Wow! I didn't know there where that many AC staffers with GEnie addresses.››Thanks for the update, Lawrence.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 132       Thu Aug 19, 1993›L.ESTEP1 [Lawrence-AC]       at 02:04 EDT› ›You are very welcome!  BTW, just a reminder to all...if you have a letter›that needs to be sent to Ben Poehland, Managing Editor, please forward it to›his Internet address of poehland@smithkline.com or›poehland%phvax.dnet@smithkline.com.  He checks the Internet daily.  Sending›letters to his GEnie address will result in an extremely long delay in›responding (sometimes as long as 3-4 weeks).››-Lawrence, Atari Classics› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 133       Thu Aug 19, 1993›A.FRAZER1                    at 22:24 EDT› ›Well, all I can say is that I thoroughly enjoy the AC mag, and that  having›been a newsletter editor for a local 8-bit group, I can sincerely appreciate›the efforts that go into the making of AC.. Thanks, guys!› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 134       Thu Aug 19, 1993›L.ESTEP1 [Lawrence-AC]       at 23:10 EDT› ›Thanks for your understanding and kind comments!  You should really enjoy our›upcoming issues so keep your eyes open for some exciting things!››-Lawrence, Atari Classics› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 135       Tue Oct 26, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 01:19 EDT› ›Since I'm too lasy to mail my suggestion to Ben, I'll just post it here and›hope someone from AC reads it and passes it on to him:››Dream Street suggestion:››Y-Modem-G protocal for BobTerm››An exit to DOS function for Discomm.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 136       Tue Oct 26, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 21:27 EDT› ›A CLI passing system similar to ARC/UNARC for DISCOMM.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 137       Wed Oct 27, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 00:36 EDT› ›Or how about...››   A CLI for MyDOS.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 138       Wed Oct 27, 1993›P.SUNGENIS1                  at 19:42 EDT› ›If someone can get me source code for BobTerm, I'll work on the YModem-G.  I›could use it myself.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 139       Thu Oct 28, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 03:59 EDT› ›Has everyone gotten their AC Software Disk yet?››<g>› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 140       Thu Oct 28, 1993›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 21:36 EDT› ›I just got my AC disk, haven't tried it out yet. I still have to renew my›subscription, it will be interesting to follow how many renew. Another crisis›point will occur if not all 500 renew.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 141       Thu Oct 28, 1993›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 22:10 EDT› ›As was probably expected, I sent in my renewal check about 2 weeks ago.››I'll continue to support AC until the bitter end.››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 142       Sat Oct 30, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 00:15 EDT› ›I just tried out the new AC disk.  Pretty neat menu program!  Good to see›Clay's program in action.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 143       Sat Oct 30, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 06:10 EDT› ›Thanks!››BTW, just for the record, the garbage at the end of the docs for ColorView›are not the fault of DOMMenu.  Someone "oops"ed while assembling the file.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 144       Sat Oct 30, 1993›ALEXANDRI                    at 09:38 EDT› ›Anyone here represent AC?› How could I contaxt Ben Poehland on line?›     Juan› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 145       Sat Oct 30, 1993›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 15:24 EDT› ›Steve Hoffee, the AC Disk Editor, has an account here (S.HOFFEE2).› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 146       Sun Oct 31, 1993›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 21:24 EST› ›The guy who started this TOPic is an editor at AC.  Ben Poehland does have an›account here but I think due to the fact that he's busy making a living and›trying to get AC out on time he doesn't log on to GEnie that often.  However›he can probably be reached at his Internet address:›poehland%phvax.dnet@smithkline.com› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 147       Sun Nov 07, 1993›ALEXANDRI                    at 12:07 EST› ›thanks›     Juan› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 148       Sat Mar 05, 1994›R.BUMAN [*** BOB ***]        at 11:38 EST› ›I wonder who I need to contact... the last couple of AC magazine disks were›mangled_ and ripped, probably got caught in the post office sorting machine.›I'd like to re-order the disks.  Thanks in advance.  *** BOB ***›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 149       Sun Mar 06, 1994›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 19:49 EST› ›You'll need to contact Ben Poehland directly.  The address in in the›magazine. I'll post it, if you lost it.››Send me e-mail.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 150       Fri Apr 08, 1994›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 22:08 EDT› ›Well, I hope you guys are happy!  This Atarian is seriously displeased that›AC has gone down the tubes due to people who didn't subscribe after promising›to after the mail in champain.  :(› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 151       Sat Apr 09, 1994›FLACK [John & Anne]          at 08:51 EDT› ›I think you're preaching to the choir here, Atarian.  Who else would inhabit›this refuge for hard core Atari 8-bitters?  My subscription expires 10/94 - I›fulfilled my pledge, and then signed on for another year.››Any word yet on what will happen to the time remaining on subscriptions?  I›wouldn't mind getting a few issues of Current Notes or one of the British 8-›bit mags, instead of a refund.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 152       Sat Apr 09, 1994›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 18:41 EDT› ›I'M not happy at all!  I want to know who these cheapskates are that›subscribed but didn't renew.›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 153       Sat Apr 09, 1994›P.SOMERFELDT [Paul]          at 21:51 EDT› ›I never said I would subscribe, and now that I can fit it into my budget,›it's too late.››Flack-››If you find yourself getting a refund from a mag that stops printing.› I've outlived several subscribtions to various magazines, and the best I›have gotten is a free issue or so from the company that bought the rights. ›Never have I received the rest of the entire subscription.  In fact, that is›one one of the reasons why I am cautious about subscribing to a magazine that›is on the bubble.  (Or rather, a magazine that I know is on the bubble.)›››Paul›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 154       Sun Apr 10, 1994›ANIMATSURI [Atarian]         at 02:12 EDT› ›Some issues of Current Notes to replace leftover AC subs would be nice from›all the good things I've heard about CN.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 155       Sun Apr 10, 1994›D.PATERSON2 [Dave]           at 12:50 EDT› ›I deliberately didn't say I would subscribe - the first mention I heard of›the project turned me off.  Then I saw a friend's vol. 1 no. 1 and›subscribed, then renewed in October.››I've seen the SLCC Journal; it's a well done club newsletter (at least as›good as some issues of AIM were).  If that's the standard that issues will be›done to, I'll send in my subscription (provided the price is within reason)›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 156       Wed Apr 13, 1994›P.SOMERFELDT [Paul]          at 19:15 EDT› ›Make that: If you find yourself getting a refund from a mag that stops›printing, consider yourself lucky.  :)››Paul››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 157       Sat Apr 16, 1994›FLACK [John & Anne]          at 09:20 EDT› ›Paul -›  This is the first time I've been a subscriber to a magazine that folded. I›never subscribed to Antic or Analog, I bought issues every once in a while in›my local software store.  But my wife subscribed to a soap opera magazine›that went under, and they filled out her subscription with an arrangement›with another soap mag.  The subscribers benefitted, they weren't left›hanging.  The mag that took over benefitted, they got a chance to solicit›full paid subscriptions from people who were pre-selected as being interested›in the subject, at no more cost than those free issue offers you see all the›time.›  --John› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 158       Sun Apr 17, 1994›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 17:13 EDT› ›  In this case the only other 8-bit mag is Consumer notes and that isn't 100%›8-bit.  However, it IS monthly so it might almost even out on a total page by›page over time comparison.››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 159       Sun Apr 17, 1994›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 18:55 EDT› ›Glenn:››Consumer Notes?!?  Try Current Notes.  We aren't the only other 8-bit›magazine by a long shot.  There is New Atari User plus several other european›things.  We run 10 issues a year with about 10 pages of dedicated 8-bit›material plus about 10 pages or more of things that are common to the 8-bit›and ST.››Rick Reaser Atari 8-bit Editor Current Notes Magazine› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 160       Sun Apr 17, 1994›P.SOMERFELDT [Paul]          at 22:09 EDT› ›Flack-››I subscribed to ANALOG since issue 1.  (Atari Newsletter and Lots of Games) ›Boy, that seems a long time ago.  I think I lost 1 issue, but can't remember.›If you've ever heard of Strategy & Tactics, that mag burned me for one issue.›But I don't feel bad.  It had lifetime subscriptions, and more than one›person got burned for a life time of issues.  A joke became something to the›effer that a lifetime sub was for the lifetime of the magazine.  :)››I got burned on one or two others, but I can't remember which ones. Only now›have I started getting back into subscribing to magazines again, and I tend›to steer clear of weak appearing mags. Unfortunately, AC was on that list.  I›finally had the cash to experiment with it, but the fat lady started her›tune.  :-/›››Paul››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 161       Mon Apr 18, 1994›E.HALLIWELL [LonerSoft]      at 01:37 EDT› ›"Consumer Notes"?????  AIIIGHH!!!!›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 162       Tue Apr 19, 1994›G.SAUNDERS4 [glenn]          at 21:15 EDT› ›  Okay okay.  Sorry about Consumer notes...:)  Duh.  In my defense, I do all›my modeming late when my lines can get crossed unintentionally.›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 163       Wed Apr 20, 1994›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 00:27 EDT› ›Strategy and Tactics is still around.  It's a wargaming magazine--mostly for›board wargamers.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 164       Wed Apr 20, 1994›P.SOMERFELDT [Paul]          at 23:35 EDT› ›Rick-››It WAS published by Simulations Publications, Inc.  In 1980 SPI kind of went›belly up.  All subscribers were left hanging for several months.  TSR›acquired the rights for most things SPI, including S&T. They sent out a›single issue of S&T to all current subscribers to let them (us) know what›happened and to get us to re-up.  At the time, I 2 issues left.  I got the›one free issue.  I got hosed for the other issue.  It's not like TSR owed me›the issue, S&T (SPI) did.  What are you going to do?  Since then, S&T has›gone through several owners. And I've heard that subscribers get hosed every›once in a while when ownership changes.  I can't say from personal›experience, as I never renewed my subscription.  I've been tempted once in a›while, but at more than $50/yr for 6 issues, I can't fit it into my budget›just yet.  :)››Oh, and I have gotten an issue now and again, when I can find it.  It is a›difficult magazine to find, but not as difficult to find as Current Notes.›(Consumer Notes?  :)›››Paul››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 165       Thu Apr 21, 1994›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 22:07 EDT› ›I helped sponsor a Air Force/Commercial Wargame Conference last year and the›"current owners" of Strategy and Tactics were invited to attend.  (I don't›recall if they attended.)  I know that they were on the invite list. We›almost got Chris Crawford to speak, but he had a conflict.››I was just trying to say I thought the magazine was still around.  Evan›Brooks who used to write about wargames for Current Notes came.  He is an›editor for Computer Gaming World now and a member of GEnie.››Rick Reaser› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 166       Fri Apr 22, 1994›P.SOMERFELDT [Paul]          at 23:14 EDT› ›Rick-››S & T IS still around.  And is fairly healthy.  Not as good as either time›Dunnigan was at the helm, but as good as anytime he wasn't.  In fact, they›publish more often than they used too, and are usually on time.  (So I hear. ›:)  And they do have a presence on GEnie.  They regularly post errata files,›as is seems many of the readers do frequent GEnie.  Dunnigan's second time as›editor probably helped, as he tried to get folks that submitted things to do›it through GEnie rather than through snail-mail.›››Paul››› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 167       Sun Apr 24, 1994›D.PATERSON2 [Dave]           at 11:24 EDT› ›Over on TOS, there has been a new 8-bit magazine announced.  Damon Walker has›been publicizing it, and is offering a free first issue.  I have no›connection to the magazine; I'm just passing this on.››For a free first issue, Email your snailmail address to:››74354.3015@compuserve.com@inet#››and include a message saying that you're interested in the 8-bit magazine.››Dave Paterson›› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 168       Sun Apr 24, 1994›R.REASERJR1 [Rick Reaser]    at 17:32 EDT› ›Jim Dunnigan was at our wargaming conference last year.  I think he is coming›this year as well.  We actually did most of the conference setup on GEnie›though the Military RT and in the Wargaming area of the Games RT.››Jim is quite a character and a breath of fresh air for that matter.››Rick Reasr Rick Reaser› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 169       Sat Apr 30, 1994›ALEXANDRI                    at 12:19 EDT› ›So AC is dead? no hope?››     Juan› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 170       Sun May 01, 1994›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 10:59 EDT› ›Actually, AC is being reincarnated thanks to Bob Wooley and Jim Hood of the›SLCC club (San Leandro Computer Club - or something to that effect) and will›continue in print under new management.› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 171       Sun May 08, 1994›M.SCHOEDEL [Michael]         at 10:57 EDT› ›Jim, will we have to re-subscribe, or will our current subscriptions›continue?› ------------›Category 12,  Topic 3›Message 172       Sun May 08, 1994›J.KING73 [Kamaro Kid]        at 20:42 EDT› ›aChecks are being mailed out right now - to reimburse subscribers for›unusunused portions of their subscriptions.  ››The short of it is that you'll have to resubscribe to the new ownership of›AC.› ------------›REPly ?