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Please read all instructions careX}fully! A) Normal SIO Physical Connections: 1) The GameLink-II serial link uses the SIO bY}us which is standard on all Atari 8-bit computer systems. 2) The SIO port is a 13-pin custom cZ}onnector with the pins defined as follows: pin name source function [} --- -------- -------- ----------------------------------- 1 SCLK PoKey Serial Input Clock\} 2 OCLK PoKey Serial Output Clock 3 SID PoKey Serial Data Input ]} 4 DGND Power Data Ground 5 SOD PoKey Serial Data Output 6 CG^}ND Power Chassis Ground 7 COMMAND PIA Serial Command 8 MOTCTL PIA_} Cassette Motor Control 9 PROCEED PIA Interrupt input 10 +5V Power `} Processor Ready 11 AUDIO IN PoKey Audio in to modulator/PoKey 12 +12V/NC Power a} Unused on XL/XE 13 INTERRUPT PIA Interrupt input 3) A view of thb}e free end of the SIO connector (the one on your 8-bit computer) would appear as shown below: c} ---------------------- / 2 4 6 8 10 12 \ / d} o o o o o o \ / \ / o o o o oe} o o \ / 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 \ ---------------------------------f} 1 Gamg}eLink-II Docs 4) Note: Unfortunately, every SIO cable we have run across (quite a few) had different ch}olors for each of the wires. The only wire that has been consistant is the chassis ground, which has always i} been a bare wire (shield drain). 5) The GameLink-II specification does not use all of the SIO linesj}. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B) Temporary GameLk}ink-II SIO Connections (2 nodes): Realizing that users might want to try "Maze of AGDAgon" and the Gamel}Link II system before committing to building or buying a more permanent connection, we offer the following directionsm}. Follow these for a quick, temporary method to connect two Atari 8-bit computers together. n} 1) Scrounge up two or three paper clips (the smaller size) and a rubber band. 2) Bend ando} cut the clips into the following shapes with the dimensions shown below. Make sure the cut ends do not have anyp} burrs, as these could damage your SIO cables. <--5/8"--> <--5/8"--> <---q}7/8"---> ---------- ---------- ------------ ^ | | | | | r} | ^ | | | | | | | | 1/2" | | | | s} | | | | | | | | | | 3/4" v | | | t} | | | | "A" "B" | "C" | | u} | | v 3) Boot up the Host computer, load the AGDAgon.COM file, and v} disconnect the serial cable from the disk drive. The other end of the serial cable should still be connectew}d to your Atari. 4) Get the other Atari ready (monitor or TV connected and turned on, seriax}l cable plugged in). 5) Take the free ends of the serial cables, and wrap the rubber band ay}round the two connectors, so that the free ends face you like the diagram below: z} 2 GameLink-II Docs {} ---------------------- / C \ |} / o o o o o o \ / \ / o o o }} o o o o \ / A B \ -------------------------~}-------- --------------------------------- \ A B /} \ o o o o o o o / \ / } \ o o o o o o / \ C / } ---------------------- 6) Now take the first of the two smaller clips you made and gently }push it into both pins marked "A" above. If you feel great resistance, do not try to force the pins in, as you m}ay damage the connectors on your serial cable. Since the clips you have made are narrower than the s}tandard Atari pins, they should not cause damage if inserted correctly. Be careful not to accidental}ly short together any other pins. 7) Take the second of the two smaller clips and push it into the } pins marked "B" above. Try to push the two pins in an equal amount. It doesn't matter if the two clips }touch each other. 8) Take the remaining (longer) clip you made and push it into the pins ma}rked "C" above. Be careful not to short it against any other pins. The third clip was intentionally made longer} so that it won't be touching the other two clips when installed correctly. 9) }Place this assembly carefully on a table top and out of the way (don't leave it dangling from the two computers).} 10) Turn on the second Atari. It should boot up as described under the "GAME STARTUP" sect}ion of the rules. Enjoy the game! 11) You can play multiple games without having to do this procedure } before each game (read the rules section). Remember to carefully disconnect the 3 clips from the seri}al cables when you are done playing for the day. ---------------------------------}------------------------------------- C) GameLink-II SIO Connections (2 or 3 nodes): The following d}irections give you some insight into how the GameLink II system works, and will allow you to create a more permanent} connection for two or three player games. They are provided for the more technical user who has sufficient e}xperience to assemble a small hardware project. Non-technical users who wish to buy a multi-node connection }should skip to the next section. 3 } GameLink-II Docs 1) The easiest way to construct a GameLink-II cable is to purchase } a long (6 foot) SIO cable and cut it in half. 2) If more length is needed, the wires can be ext}ended to around 6 feet per node (thus, from one computer to any other would be a maximum of 12 feet).} 3) The connections are made according to the following list: pin name } connection description --- -------- ---------- ------------------------------- 1 SCLK } not used leave with no connection 2 OCLK not used leave with no connection 3 } SID PARALLEL connected to all other SID & SOD 4 DGND PARALLEL connected to all other }DGNDs 5 SOD PARALLEL connected to all other SID & SOD 6 CGND PARALLEL co}nnected to all other CGNDs 7 COMMAND not used leave with no connection 8 MOTCTL no}t used leave with no connection 9 PROCEED not used leave with no connection 10 +5V } not used leave with no connection 11 AUDIO IN not used leave with no connection 1}2 +12V/NC not used leave with no connection 13 INTERRUPT not used leave with no connection } 4) Both grounds are connected between all systems. 5) Both the SID (Serial Input), an}d SOD (Serial Output) lines are connected together from all nodes. This allows any node to transmit }data to all other nodes (including itself, if desired). 6) A graphical representation of a }3 node GameLink-II network is shown below, with wires indicated by dashes (-) and vertical bars (|). }Junctions shown by asterisks (*) 4 } GameLink-II Docs Node-1 Node-2 Node-3} ------ ------ ------ SID(3) SID(3) } SID(3) | | | *---------------*---------------}* | | | SOD(5) SOD(5) SOD(5) } DGND(4) DGND(4) DGND(4) | | } | *---------------*---------------* CGND(6) CGND(6)} CGND(6) | | | *---------------*-------------}--* 7) Another method would be to buy SIO sockets, and mount them in a box, or PC b}oard, and connect them as above. This would allow you to use unmodified SIO cables. 8) Ven}dors for the cables and/or connectors: a) MCM Electronics 650 Congress Park Drive } Dayton, OH 45459-9955 (note: no longer stocks SIO sockets) b) BEST El}ectronics 2121 The Alameda Suite 290 San Jose, CA 95126-1127 c) B&}C ComputerVisions 2730 Scott Boulevard Santa Clara, CA 95050 d) Am}erican Techna-Vision 15338 Inverness St. San Leandro, CA 94579 } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- D) GameLink-II SIO Connections for Mo}re Than 3 Nodes: 1) After a fair amount of beta testing and some head scratching, we discovered th}at an unmodified Atari's POKEY IC lacks the current sinking capability to provide reliable operation when more th}an 3 8-bit computers are linked as described above. 2) An active device (integrated circuit}) must be added to provide the necessary current sinking capability. Rather than include some compli}cated instructions, we plan to offer the following devices for sale to registered owners: } 5 GameLink-II Docs } a) The OCTO-LINK, which consists of a circuit board, populated with the required integrated circuit and tw}o SIO connectors. Unpopulated sites will exist for the addition of up to six additional SIO co}nnectors by the user (SIO connectors available from the vendors listed above). This is ideal f}or user groups, where the club can purchase one of these for regular meetings. Use of regular SIO cables } completes the network. b) The DUO-LINK two-player expandable serial bus cable. This } consists of a circuit board with the necessary integrated circuit, and serial cable with two end}s. It can link two players together by itself. By purchasing additional cables, pairs of play}ers can be added. The cables link at their middles to other cables with heavy duty Molex pins and } connectors. This arrangement allows 8-bitters to own their own GameLink-II modules, letting them plug tog}ether and play at any time without investing in the 8-player board. 4) As you can ima}gine, AGDA is not a large commercial concern. Previous to February 1, 1994 we will be monitoring our GEnie, } CompuServe, Internet, and U.S. Mail addresses hoping for some response. After that date we will order th}e necessary raw materials to create the first batch of the DUO-LINK and OCTO-LINK connectors. We will} sell them to the registered shareware customers at a nominal fee to cover all expenses. Keep in tou}ch! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- } 6z Instructions for "MAZE OF ADGAGON" Limited Demo }Copyright (c)1990,1991,1992 The AGDA Group Version 0.15 12/28/92 -------------- }--------------------------------------------------------- This doc file accompanies the demo version of "MAZE OF A }GDAGON", the first multi-player multi-computer game developed for the 8-bit Atari Computer. GAME STARTU }P The working version of this program is a multi-computer game, where one 8-bit compuer (800/XL/XE/XEGS) must } serve as the "Host", and the other (up to eight) players "boot up" from this host. This demo only allows you to s }ee a one-player game, leaving the multi-player feature to your imagination for the moment. So for now, load the program } from DOS (with BASIC disabled), and wait for the title screen to appear. Press START to start the game (note you }can return to the title screen by pressing RESET). The following rules describe how the game will eventually be pl }ayed. AN OVERVIEW OF THE GAME A maze of 15 x 15 cells is the playfield. You see a first-person } perspective view of the maze from your current position and direction of travel. The walls are opaque, and a color }scheme is used that helps you orient yourself as to their current direction (east-facing walls are a light orange i }n color, west-facing walls are dark). You are able to see other players and grenades that are in your path. The grenad }es are white ellipses, and the other players are larger red ellipses with eyes and a crooked smile. You are able t }o move forward, or turn left or right by pressing the joystick forward, left, or right respectively. Your view will } change to indicate your new position. Turns are shown with hardware scrolling, helping you follow the changing directi }on. You can select an overhead view by pulling the joystick towards you ('back'). The overhead view indicate }s your current relative location, and any opponents that would be visible (but not those blocked by walls, for inst }ance). Also, any cells which have been traveled are indicated in green, to allow you to keep track of where you have be }en. Cells that have been in your field of view are plotted in black. This helps you figure out what paths remain }to be explored. At the beginning of the game, there are a number of hand grenades placed randomly throughout }the maze. More grenades will appear randomly throughout the game as the supply is reduced. Each player can carry }a maximum of three grenades at one time. A player 'picks up' a grenade by passing through the cell that it is located i }n. A tone will be sounded to indicate the successful collection of a grenade. To activate a grenade, press t }he joystick fire button. Three seconds 1 } "Maze of Agdagon" Demo Instructions after being activated the grenade will explode (you will hear a "tick-toc }k" count down the seconds). Any players which are ahead you (in other words, in your view and not blocked by a wall) wi }ll lose one life, unless they are able to move out of that hallway before the grenade explodes. When a grenade is }activated, a four-tone alarm will sound on the speaker of any players which are in the explosion zone of the grenad }e. If your grenade "kills" another player, you will hear the explosion sound in your monitor, and your score will incre }ase. Note that you can only see, and your grenade can only fire, up to eight cells directly ahead. Also note that } you are frozen in place while a grenade is counting down, so don't fire one if you need to get out of the way of a }nother's. When you lose a life (which you can't in this demo), you will hear the explosion sound, and the num }ber of lives left will be decremented. The screen will also flash on and off. The first 2 times you die, you are }reincarnated in a random position in the maze. You will be spinning around as you come back to life, and nobody can see } you while this is happening. This allows you to get some orientation to your new position. When you die the thir }d time, the game is over for you. You will be able to monitor the remaining portion of the game from your screen a }s a "ghost" that nobody else can see (as long as there are other players left in the game). The last person l }eft alive in the maze is the winner. The message "GAME OVER, WINNER:X" will be sent, indicating which node has won (thi }s won't happen in this demo). To allow for contests, there will be a score displayed on your screen at all times, }which is calculated in the following manner: 1) 10 points for every grenade you collect. 2) 100 }points for every other player you kill. You can restart the demo at any time by pressing RESET, and then START. } Each time you play the game, the maze is regenerated - so don't bother memorizing the maze. This demo will } let you get accustomed to the player movement. You'll probably figure out real quick that the four randomly-positioned } players never move, and never die when you shoot them (although you'll get the 100 points for killing them). But }when you play this interactively with other Agdagon players, *they* will look like those red ellipses (and will mov }e around), and you will look like that to them. We've got a working version of the game here at AGDA headquarters, } and we're tweeking the details and the rules. So when the game becomes available Real Soon Now, some of the details ma }y be different. Until then, we are looking for creative and constructive criticism on features (to add or subtract }) to enhance the game. 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"#$%&&&'''''&&&%$#"  !""#####""!  !!!!!      }  }                }                    }' /3663 /'&+ / /+&%)*)%$'$##! h gy%bdf) mffmff}f @ff-oh ho L|` gyUff f ff f`λff )fbd)`f)ohfJJJJoh }f 7h`   (xDD}DD~|zxvtrpnljhfdb`^\ZyU@@@@@@@@0 jj}}HHH.gggg(g)g<:g;g ʹgggg(g*g:gbcipg >bcipg >bc8pg >bcк h )bc)`bc }@bc`og mg`mgog`hh !/=0r1pXY \ v yo h} Ch}ines: Jeff Casbeer Documentation: Chuck Steinman and Jeff Potter Beta Testing: J. Sliker?}, J. Williams, R. Detlefsen various members of MFACC and JACE and o@}thers too numerous to mention 5 A} Maze of Agdagon V1.0 Easy-response letter: mail to: B} DataQue Products Post Office Box 134 Ontario, OH 44862 C} USA Chuck, Jeff: I have used the "Maze of AgdagD}on" program on my Atari ________ computer. I own a ____________ disk drive, which operates in SSSD( ), SSED( ), SSE}DD( ), DSDD( ). I did ( ) did not ( ) build a GameLink-II cable for this game which ( ) worked ( ) did not work ( ) worF}ked with bugs. I rate this program in the following ways: Excellent G} Good Fair Poor Game Play ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Graphics H} ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Clarity of Documentation ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) I} Ease of Use ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Originality ( ) ( ) J} ( ) ( ) I found this program on the following bulletin board/pay service: _______________K}_______________________________________________________ Phone Number (if BBS): ____________________ L} I would be interested in receiving upgrades to this program( ). Please contact me in the following way: ________M}______________________________________________________________ I am interested in ordering one of the followiN}ng GameLink-II devices when they become available (not a commitment at this time): ( ) OCTO-LINK 8-playeO}r board ( ) DUO-LINK 2-player cable 6 P} Maze of Agdagon V1.0 Comments: ____________________________Q}__________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ _R}_____________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________S}____________________ ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________T}_______________________________________________ My name and address are: _________________________U}_____________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ V} ______________________________________________________________________ W} 7pDate: 10 Mar 91 05:02:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!Y}news@arizona.edu (Frank E. Seipel) Subject: Alternate Reality To: Info-Atari8@naucse.cse.nau.edu HERE Here are some meZ}ssages from an old (1986) Compuserve thread concerning Alternate Reality. They contain some useful information. Sorry they ar[}e in 40 columns. #: 160306 S1/GAMES 21-Jun-86 21:28:36 Sb: ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: PHIL W. GEORGI 72527,1355 To: ALL D\}OES ANYONE KNOW IF AND WHEN THE WILDERNESS AND AREANA DISKS WILL BE AVALIBLE???I'M ADDICTED TO THE GAME!!!!!! ALSO,ANY HINTS?]}????HAS ANYONE SEEN THE PROGRAMMERS NAME SPELLED OUT WITH THE CITY WALLS? PHIL GEORGI 72527,1355 #: 160780 S1/^}GAMES 25-Jun-86 21:07:55 Sb: #160630-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: DAVE REARICK 74226,721 Dave; too ba_}d about the bum disk. The problem is the extensive protection scheme used by Datasoft. It is one of the most sofisticated on `}the market. Unfortunately it means that it won't work properly on some drives. You may thank your local PIRATE network for tha}at. It just shows that someone has to pay for the misconduct of others. Too bad. I hope you get a new disk soon. Alternate Reb}ality is one of the most addictive games I have ever played. It is like no other. I have seen similar games demoed on the ST.c} One of them is called Firestaff. I would almost buy an ST just to play that one. Good Luck. Don Wyman. #: 160926 S1/GAMES d} 26-Jun-86 23:01:47 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: JEFFREY R. HAND 76556,3402 To: DON WYMAN, 72456,2717 (X) Thanks for the que}ick response don. Also I have obtained a Magical FLAMESWORD from a troll. #: 160932 S1/GAMES 26-Jun-86 23:17:50 Sb: #1f}60926-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: JEFFREY R. HAND 76556,3402 JEFF; OOOOHHHH, I'm jealous again. I just gg}ot a message from Andy Goldberg. He also just got a Magical Flamesword. I have gotten two of them but they were both CURSED!!h}! Curses. Rats. Oh well, maybe next time. Phil Price, the author, told me that the Flamesword is the best weapon availai}ble. The Magical Crystal armour is the best, with the Magical Elfin armour a close second. Keep going, you're doing great. Doj}n Wyman, level 12, 900,000 exp. points. #: 161060 S1/GAMES 28-Jun-86 07:44:32 Sb: #160932-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Henry k}T. Colonna 74726,3216 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) I get diseased sometimes in the middle of the game. I have a legit. col}py. It boots up & I'm fine. Occasionally when it boots up I am immediately diseased. It says 'scurvy' under ailments. Hm}owever...last night it occurred in the middle of the game and didn'T say 'scurvy'. Any ideas? #: 161081 S1/GAMES 28-Junn}-86 11:58:26 Sb: #161060-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Henry T. Colonna 74726,3216 (X) As far as the bootio}ng disease (scurvy) is concerned, make sure you have several backup copies of your character so you can reboot. Keep one copyp} writeprotected so you don't use it. If you are diseased during the game, it is because you were scratched or wounded in someq} other way by an adversary. The most common are Giant Rats (Rabies), Slime (slime), and Mold (mold). You may also be poisonedr} by Imps, Nightstalkers and others. The way to tell is if you are in a battle with any of these creatures and they take hit ps}oints from you, you can be sure they infected you. Get thee to a Healer. Sometimes the effects of these diseases don't show ut}p for a while. You can also use a cleanse potion (Clear, Acidic, Unsure), Heal All potion (white, salty, caution), or a Cure u}Poison (Amber, plain, caution) potion. Good Luck and good hunting. Don Wyman, level 12, 975,000 experience points. #: 161080v} S1/GAMES 28-Jun-86 11:49:26 Sb: ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: ANDY ANDY;I am answering your quew}stions here so others may benefit from the exchange. Leave your messages here from now on, OK? The first Champion I encounterx}ed I was able to Trick as a first option. That's why I didn't know how tough he was. Since then I have just fought him as I wy}ould a Knight, no problem. There are 2 stores (shops) with the same name in 2 different areas of the city. It was a mistake sz}o don't worry about that. There are only 12 guilds in the city, not 14. The other 2 are in the Arena area and will not be acc{}esible until the Arena disk comes out. The Dungeon is due around Sept. There is NO WAY OUT of the 2 traps areas on my maps. T|}his is another booboo in the game. It was unintentional according to Phil Price. Spend some of your money on fine clothes. I }}was told that what you wear will have an effect in the Dungeon. If you are Inebriated (drunk) you must get to an Inn and slee~}p it off or a healer to remove alcohol. You can also use a cleanse potion. Good Luck and happy hunting. Thanx for the offer,} but I'll keep searching for my Flamesword. Don Wyman level 12 975,000 experience points. #: 161090 S1/GAMES 28-Jun-86 }12:42:11 Sb: ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: ALL I have just uploaded my potions list for Alternate Reality. }It is in DL1 and and may be downloaded with Xmodem. There is 1 more potion than what is in the list I send with the maps I se}ll. Enjoy. Don Wyman 72456,2717 #: 161445 S1/GAMES 01-Jul-86 23:02:31 Sb: #160932-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: JEFFREY R. H}AND 76556,3402 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Don, I've finally reached lvl 12. Also, I have plain Crystal Armor Hope you get }a FLAMESWORD soon as it makes quick work of Dragons. #: 161531 S1/GAMES 02-Jul-86 21:58:24 Sb: #161445-ALTERNATE REAL}ITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: JEFFREY R. HAND 76556,3402 Congrats on the level 12. Also on the Flamesword, and the }Crystal Armor. I'm still searching for them. I will go over 1 million exp. tonight. Only 200,000 pts. to level 13. I have fou}nd 3 Magical Flameswords and all were Cursed. Good luck and happy hunting. Don Wyman. #: 161445 S1/GAMES 01-Jul-86 23:0}2:31 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: JEFFREY R. HAND 76556,3402 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Don, I've finally reached lvl 12. Al}so, I have plain Crystal Armor Hope you get a FLAMESWORD soon as it makes quick work of Dragons. #: 161531 S1/GAMES 02-J}ul-86 21:58:24 Sb: #161445-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: JEFFREY R. HAND 76556,3402 (X) Congrats on the l}evel 12. Also on the Flamesword, and the Crystal Armor. I'm still searching for them. I will go over 1 million exp. tonight. }Only 200,000 pts. to level 13. I have found 3 Magical Flameswords and all were Cursed. Good luck and happy hunting. Don Wyman}. #: 161591 S1/GAMES 03-Jul-86 19:52:49 Sb: #161531-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: JEFFREY R. HAND 76556,3402 To: DON WYMAN 7245}6,2717 Don; I hope you reach level 13 soon. I expect to make by the third week in July. Also the Flamesword kills wraiths }so it is definitely worth having. Jeff Hand(Jorel),lvl 12, 680,000 exp. points. #: 161556 S1/GAMES Sb: ALTERNATE REALITY Fm:} RON HODGES 71565,150 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 Don: I've been checking for several days and can't find the potions list in }the DL section. Any help? You seem to be the "resident expert" on AR and as I'm a beginner at role playing games, I N}EED HELP. I've managed to map about half of the city, but can't get above level 4. I just can't seem to get enough cash to }EAT/DRINK/REST and keep my strength up. I'm using the "hack & slash" technique, but suspect there may be a better way(?). A}ny help you can give would be appreciated. P.S. Do you know anything about a "users group" for AR. I read something about }it in the Portland Oregon Atari club magazine. Thanks in advance. Ron -- Level 4 -- Barely Ali #: 161635 S1/GAMES } 04-Jul-86 00:51:59 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DAVE REARICK 74226,721 To: DON WYMAN HELP,AGAIN DON. YOU ARE RIGHT. THIS G}AME IS ADDICTIVE. BUT ALSO INFURIATING. I'M AT LEVEL 8, 42 000 EXP. BUT I'M GETTING NOWHERE. ANY "GENERAL HINTS" TO OFFER????}? I HAVE A BUM DISK,BUT THE GAME IS ADDICTIVE ENUF TO NOT WANT TO BE WITHOUT IT. BUT, I'M READY TO CHALK IT UP AS A BAD BUY. }I7M NOT A MAPPER(I KNOW YOU SELL YOUR MAPS) BUT I AM AT A SEEMINGLY ENDLESS BLIND ALLEY. HELP!!!!! #: 164317 S1/GAMES 28}-Jul-86 23:49:42 Sb: Alternate Reality Fm: TED BORAH 70717,2254 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Don, I have been continuing} to play with the character as is and am managing to stay alive by frequent visits to the healer. I'm hoping to come across }something soon. He is up to a level 11 now. Ted Borah --Tombstone Teddy-- #: 164330 S1/GAMES 29-Jul-86 02:03:54 Sb: }#Alternate Reality Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: Vance Nesbitt 76475,2674 (X) Vance; As Don said there are 12 Guilds The }other two are in the Arena. As for the other tavern, have you found the "Tavern" in the NW corner. Also I've had invulnerabil}ity air for some time and have had no ill effects. It may be that your disk is defective and needs to be recut. Good h}unting, Jeff Jorel lvl 12 #: 164355 S1/GAMES 29-Jul-86 08:20:07 Sb: #164330-#Alternate Reality Fm: VANCE NESBITT 76475,}2674 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) Yes I visit "TAVERN" often. Nice place. I could use some help locating those two guilds I }never found. Heres a list of the ones I do have. guild of ORDER. wizards of LAW guild. RED wizards University. ASSASSINS guil}d. DARK wizards guild. STAR wizards guild. LIGHT wizards guild. PHYSICIANS guild. GREEN wizards guild. BLUE wizards guild. T}hose other two have my nose stumped. I don't know where I havn't looked? Any hints would be appreciated. Bye. VANCE NESBITT } VANCELOT still LVL 6. Being nice and sleeping nights. #: 164454 S1/GAMES 30-Jul-86 00:53:35 Sb: #164355-#Alternate R}eality Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: VANCE NESBITT 76475,2674 (X) Vance; Try looking around the Dancing Nymph tavern for }the Thieves Guild. Then you might try the area behind the Last Stop tavern for the Wisards of Chaos Guild, close to which is} one entrance to the Dungeon. Good hunting, Jorel lvl 12 1,200,000 Jeff #: 164484 S1/GAMES 30-Jul-86 03:21:51 Sb: #16}4454-Alternate Reality Fm: VANCE NESBITT 76475,2674 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) thanks jeff. My nose was getting sore. I fi}nally found that missing tavern. Lusty Lloyds. How I miss these places I don't know. Thanks (Vancelot lvl 7.) #: 164599 S1}/GAMES 30-Jul-86 23:09:59 Sb: #164454-#Alternate Reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) Va}nce: the 2 guilds you are seeking are both in the Northeast quadrant. The Wizards of Chaos is about 3 blocks north of the Las}t Stop Tavern. It is hidden but not too hard to find. The other is where Jeff suggested. Keep looking. If you have found the }others these should be a piece of cake. Don #: 165040 S1/GAMES 03-A}ug-86 19:56:10 Sb: #Alternate reality Fm: Bill Damm 73247,3330 To: Don Wyman One thing that I haven't seen anyone mention y}et is sleeping accomodations. I'vefound that it doesn't pay to skimp here. My character has recovered more hit points more qu}ickly sleeping in a more expensive room. One question: do you know the effects of PROTECTION +2 and how long it lasts? I've b}een able to quaff acid with no untoward effect since getting it, but I don't know what else it does for me. Thanks for all th}e help - I read AR messages here twice a week. Hope this is useful to someone out there. Bill (GEORGE - LEVEL 6) } #: 165138 S1/GAMES 04-Aug-86 21:26:10 Sb: #165040-Alternate reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Bill Damm 73247,3330 (}X) Bill; Protection 1 and 2 are temporary armour. I don't know if it has an effect on acid or anything else. I think that ma}ybe Invul. water may have the effect you are mentioning. I agree with what you said about staying in better rooms to heal up.} I stay in suites as a rule. Your Hit points do restore faster. One other thing that I have been doing is carrying 255 water }and food. There are no ill effects such as fatigue from this practice. It is also much easier to build back up. You cannot ca}rry more than 255 of each. I have done this in anticipation of the Dungeon. You will probably not have any Taverns down there}. Don Wyman (thorex level 13: 1,500,000 exp. pts.) #: 165180 S1/GAMES 05-Aug-86 01:42:45 Sb: #alternate reality Fm: RIC}HARD POSTGATE 73017,1735 To: all A few things... First of all, has anyone noticed that there are actually four types of musi}c played for monsters? (There are two main types, plus two variations on each of the main types). Also, are there any rings t}o be found in the city? I've found a good way to get a character going (up a few levels quickly when you start out). Wh}en you have some potions in your possesion, what kind they are is totally random. So if you save your character (then back it} up), next time you load it the potions will be different. So you keep loading your character until one of the potions you're} carrying turns out to be a treasure finding. Don Wyman- There is a large area SE of the arena that I can't find any way int}o to map...What does your map look like there? An addition (or correction) to the potion list in DL0; I drank a Black Sweet p}otion that turned out to be Invulnerability Blunt! Why do treasure finding potions say they last so long (the name below your} food and water), and yet they only seem to work well for a few hours, then don't really help much any more? [Gray Mouser, lv}l 7] #: 165202 S1/GAMES 05-Aug-86 11:27:51 Sb: #165180-#alternate reality Fm: mark henry 76525,2150 To: RICHARD POSTGAT}E 73017,1735 oops.! You are right about the Inv. Blunt. I've never noticed anything benificial about the Treasur Finding po}tion. STILL looking for guilds! Stalker lvl 7 Richard, I too have the blank area SE of the Arena. I'm hoping the an}swer shows up soon. You #: 165389 S1/GAMES 06-Aug-86 22:52:26 Sb: #165202-alternate reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To}: mark henry 76525,2150 (X) The area SE of the Arena is closed to you now. It is part of the Arena and you will find the 2 "}missing" guilds there. The Black potions are somewhat variable. I have had the same experience. The Treasure Finding is also }a variable effect as to its longevity and power. It seem that the more "bad" you are the less you get from it. There are no r}ings in the City. I have heard that they are associated with the guilds and will be used in the Dungeon due in late Sept. '86}. Don Wyman. #: 165281 S1/GAMES 05-Aug-86 22:57:51 Sb: #Alternate Reality Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: Don Wyman }72456,2717 (X) I finally reached lvl 13 today! Have you gotten a flamesword yet? Jeff (Jorel lvl 13) #: 165391 S1/GAMES } 06-Aug-86 22:58:37 Sb: #165281-#Alternate Reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) Jeff. Congrats }on the level 13. No, I haven't found the Flamesword. Been busy getting ready to move next week. Also I have been going out du}ring the day so I can find the Boots and Dragonskin Hat. No luck there either. I was playing around with the Owner of the Bet}elguese sales. I kept offering low amounts for his goods. He finally kicked me out for good. When I enter, he just says "Get }out Worm". This has lasted for at least 15 "City" days. He's really ticked. I don't recommend that type of behavior. Oh well,} there are a lot of other Shops. Take care. Don Wyman (thorex level 13: 1,500,000 exp.) #: 165440 S1/GAMES 07-Aug-86 08}:21:08 Sb: #165391-#Alternate Reality Fm: mark henry 76525,2150 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 Don and Jeff, I have discovered }that if your REAL bad, every one kicks you out! and all the taverns have entry fees! I even got kick out of mom's bar...was i} upset! so, that's the warning. Stalker lvl 7.5 #: 165555 S1/GAMES 08-Aug-86 03:44:16 Sb: #165440-#Alternat}e Reality Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: mark henry 76525,2150 (X) Mark, Thanks for the hint. Jorel is a good charcter s}o I've never run into that problem. Jeff (Jorel lvl 13) #: 165574 S1/GAMES 08-Aug-86 11:27:59 Sb: #165555-Altern}ate Reality Fm: mark henry 76525,2150 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) Jeff, Believe me when I say that I no longer run bad }charatcters! I learned the hard way. I once had a character that had awesome Charm so I got to big for my britches. Guards w}here falling left and right Grog (that was his name) showed no mercy. He was close to Chaotic Evil if you ever played AD&D. }So now I run characters as good (Lawful Good) people. They do much better in the long run. I've found that, for me anyway, ev}il types aren't even around for the long run. Be seeing ya. Stalker lvl 7.5 #: 165469 S1/GAMES 07-Aug-86 19:29}:30 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: FLOYD T. WALKER, JR. 72247,36 To: ALL Hi there! I just recently got the fantastic game Alt}ernate Reality, but I can't seem to get higher than level 3 or 4. Is there a way to ...converse... with the creatures that} one meets in the city? Or possibly finding money lying in the streets (haven't found any yet) ? I would really appreciate} any and all hints and suggetions that are offered. Just leave 'em here and I'll find them. By the way, my thanks to Don fo}r the list of potions. Floyd Walker Darkmoor Lvl 3 or 4} 72247,36 #: 165554 S1/GAMES 08-Aug-86 03:37:18 Sb: #165469-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Jeff Hand 76556},3402 To: FLOYD T. WALKER, JR. 72247,36 (X) Floyd, unlike Ultima you cannot converse with the other life forms in AR. You'}ll will get treasure, from time to time, after an encounter with another lifeform. Treasure can take the form of money}, jewels, gems, potions, or potions. Jeff #: 165587 S1/GAMES 08-Aug-86 18:33:44 Sb: #165554-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: FLO}YD T. WALKER, JR. 72247,36 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) Jeff, I seem to have figured out as much as you've told me. My bigge}st problem is this-> example: I'm walking down some street and have an encounter with, say, a knight or something like it. It} automatically is in engaged in combat. I hit-*-no effect. It hits -- Darkmoor's pushing up daisies after receiving} 9 or so hits. What I'm looking for is a quick way to get cash and/or a reasonable weapon (not just a dagger). Any suggestion}s??? Dead again... Floyd Walker 72247,36 #: 165674 S1/GAMES } 09-Aug-86 04:24:57 Sb: #165587-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: FLOYD T. WALKER, JR. 72247,36 Floyd, } Until you're at a higher level with some decent weapons and armor I'd disengage most stronger life forms, i.e. knights, swor}dsman, gladiator, and the like, you'll lose some money and treasure once in awhile put at least you're alive. Have you tried }going out at night for a short time, thats when I got almost all of my better weapons and armor. Most of all just keep on try}ing. I don't know how many times I had to restart the game until I got a character that was worth something. Good luck, } Jeff #: 166106 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 05:05:29 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: RICHARD POSTGATE 73017,1735 To: Jeff} Hand 76556,3402 (X) I GUESS YOUR CHARACTER MUST BE AT LEAST SOMEWHAT EVIL, BECAUSE GOOD GUYS LEAVE WHEN I IGNORE THEM. AT W}HAT LEVEL DID YOU GET THE FLAMESWORD (DOES IT GIVE YOU BETTER WEAPONS AS YOU GAIN LEVELS)? IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETW}EEN LUNGE AND ATTACK? I HAVE MAGICAL PLATE AND A SPIKED SHIELD AND A SWORD (YET I ALWAYS GET CREAMED BY KNIGHTS...GEE...AREN'}T KNIGHTS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD?). [GRAY MOUSER, LVL 8] #: 166107 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 05:14:39 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: }RICHARD POSTGATE 73017,1735 To: DON WYMAN, 72456,2717 (X) WHAT WEAPONS BESIDES A FLAMESWORD ARE BETTER THAN SWORDS? WHAT ARM}OR'S BETTER THAN MAGICAL PLATE? I HAVE MAGICAL PLATE, AND YET I STILL GET CREAMED BY KNIGHTS, AND DRAGONS. WHAT KIND OF WEAPO}N AND ARMOR DO YOU NEED TO TAKE ON THESE AND OTHER TOUGH MONSTERS? [GRAY MOUSER, LVL 8] #: 166118 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 12}:02:52 Sb: #alternate reality Fm: mark henry 76525,2150 To: MIKE CARPICK 73217,1527 (X) Mike, excuse me. Let me explain. I }do not have an atari. Sorry to get your hopes up. I use this forum to talk to Don and all you people that play alternate real}ity. Although I don't have an atari I feel that I do have friends here that share the intrests that I do. Sorry again about} getting your hopes up, Mark Stalker lvl 7 #: 166147 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 20:22:10 Sb: #166106-#ALTERNAT}E REALITY Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: RICHARD POSTGATE 73017,1735 (X) Good life forms leave when I ignore them if I'm not i}n a "treasure finding" mode. I got the 1st flamesword at lvl 10, I thin, and I just got another one at lvl 13. It does seem }that the higher you're the better the weapons you get. I got both flamesword from a troll, while in a "treasure finding" mod}e, near the alpha omega healers. Good hunting, Jeff (jorel lvl 13) #: 166178 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 22:}47:15 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Floyd Walker 72247,36 To: ALL Haallpp!! Does anyone know WHY, when I reach lvl. 4 or so, al}l the taverns seem to..well it says "Entering..." on the screen, the disks whiz a while, then "Leaving.." comes up. I eventu}ally get too weak to defend myself -POOF- no mo' adventurin' for Traalfonz. Would going to a healer either counter the effect}s of starvation or possibly, somehow, let me back in the taverns? If so, or even if not, please give me explicit directions t}o the nearest ( and cheapest ) healer. Also, has anyone been to Lusty Loydd's yet? Got cheap food & drink. OOH}! I'M DYIN' AGAIN! FLOYD WALKER 72247,36 #: 166180 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 22:53:11 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm:} Floyd Walker 72247,36 To: ALL RE. my previous message: I only eliminated 3 life forms -a commoner, and two dwarfs, and only } wounded 1 other dwarf. the two elim dwarfs, I charmed them, and the commoner hit me first. All had the music associated with } good life. Could this be enough to keep me out of the taverns? Floyd Walker 72247,36 #: 166181 S1/GAMES  } 13-Aug-86 23:01:59 Sb: alternate reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: mark henry 76525,2150 (X) MARK, I just got my Magica }l Flamesword tonite (13 Aug.). I got it at 1,591,000 exp. pts. I am now at 1,650,000 with 185 Strength pts. Still waiting for } the Dungeon. In case you haven't heard there are only 12 guilds. The missing 2 are in the inaccessible area of the ARENA. Ha}ng in there. Don Wyman. #: 166182 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 23:05:04 Sb: #alternate reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To:} Sara Groves 70775,712 (X) Sara; I also was unable to find my walkthrough. I found a very negative review by a guy named Sut}ton though. He apparently gave up on the game and didn't stick around long enough to learn. He had numerous facts incorrect a}nd really trashed AR. Too bad. Don Wyman (thorex lvl. 13; 1,650,000 exp.) #: 166185 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 23:09:28 Sb: #16}6107-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: RICHARD POSTGATE 73017,1735 (X) You will find that any Magical weapon is} superior to mundane ones. The Flamesword is the best with the Magical Battle Hammer second. I finally dropped my trusty Magi}cal Longsword. It got me through most of my 1,650,000 exp. Just be good and wait. You will get something better. Don Wyman. }#: 166188 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 23:16:21 Sb: #166147-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (}X) Jeff. I finally got my Magical Flamesword. Goodness does pay off. I got it at about 5 in the morning a Guard. I had 1,59}1,000 exp. when I got it. Whew!!!!!! I wonder if anyone has been keeping track of Armour. I have Magical Scale Mail now, but }have found Magical Banded Armour, Magical Chain, and Magical Ring Mail. I don't know if I should take them. I have a hunch th}at I should have taken the Banded thoug. I now have 185 Strength pts., 54 chr. and 52 Int. How you doing? Don Wyman (thorex l}evel 13: 1,650,000 exp. pts.) P.S. Have you tried building up your food and water? I carry 255 of each now. I'm anticipating }a need to carry lots of provisions in the Dungeon. #: 166189 S1/GAMES 13-Aug-86 23:19:15 Sb: #166178-ALTERNATE REALITY }Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Floyd Walker 72247,36 (X) Floyd; try making backups of disk 2 and using them. If you are doing }that now (and you should use the backups), try doing them over. I had similar problems. Also try cleaning your drive he}ads. AR uses all of the disk so your drive must be in tip-top condition. Don Wyman. #: 166219 S1/GAMES 14-Aug-86 12:00:}10 Sb: #166178-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: mark henry 76525,2150 To: Floyd Walker 72247,36 (X) Floyd, That happened to me once }. If you are killing everything in sight then that may be your problem. I once ran an evil character that killed every thing!} thru charming. I was kick out of all the taverns after that. Some taverns would let me in if I paid an entry fee. this may b"}e your problem. If not then try what Don suggests. Stalker lvl 7 #: 166220 S1/GAMES 14-Aug-86 #}12:03:29 Sb: #166182-#alternate reality Fm: mark henry 76525,2150 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Don, I also found that reveiw$}. too bad it's there. I think another should be done. How do you go about getting a review on the board? St%}alker lvl 7 #: 166238 S1/GAMES 14-Aug-86 20:00:28 Sb: #166180-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: VANCE NESBITT 76475,2674 To: Flo&}yd Walker 72247,36 (X) HI, FLOYD. I HAVE HAD YOUR PROBLEM OF NOT BEING ABLE TO ENTER TAVERNS. WHEN I AM IN AN ESTABLISHMENT '}AT THE TIME IT CLOSES, I WILL BE UNABLE TO ENTER THAT TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT (SHOP, TAVERN, ETC.) FOR TWO DAYS. ANOTHER CONDIT(}ION IS IF MY JOYSTICK (SENSITIVE) IS TILTED BACKWARDS I GET THE SAME EFFECT. AND THE THIRD CONDITION I CAN'T FIGURE OUT BUT I)} CAN USUALLY RE-ENTER ON THE SECOND OR THIRD ATTEMPT. SO NATURALLY I AVOID ESTABLISHMENTS AT CLOSING TIMES. HOPE THIS HELPS*}. BYE FROM Vancelot (lvl 9) Vaneesh (lvl 7) Vance (lvl 0 with FLAMESWORD) #: 166276 S1/GAMES +} 14-Aug-86 23:08:00 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: ALL I NEED HELP...I CAN ONLY LOCATE 11 OF THE 12 AV,}AILABLE GUILDS. 2 IN NW QUAD 3 IN NE QUAD, 2 IN SE QUAD AND 4 IN SW QUAD....WHERE AM I MISSING ONE??? ALSO, I GOT THROWN OU-}T OF TAVERNS IN MY EARLY TRIES IF I BEGGED FOR FOOD I COULDN'T PAY FOR, THEY NEVER FORGET. NOW I ALWAYS BUY ROUNDS FOR THE H.}OUSE AND ALL TAVERNS GREET ME AS "DEAR FRIEND". EVERYONE ALSO HAS ME SCARED ABOUT THIS GOOD OR BAD CHARACTER SITUATION. I TRU/}STED THE INSTRUCTIONS TO BE MYSELF AND ATTACK OR TRICK ALL (LV 11). AM I GOING TO HAVE TO RESTART? NO ONE THROWS ME OUT, I SE0}EM WELCOME EACH SHOP OR TAVERN. ALSO, WHEN I DRINK A POTION OF DELUSION ALL OF MY STATS GO UP 6 OR 7 POINTS AND STAY UP EVEN1} AFTER A HEALER HAS CLEANSED AND RESTORED ME. THEY STAY UP WEEKS LATER, IS THIS FOR REAL? I WILL APPRECIATE ANY HELP. T2}HANKS, STAN KOPF [70426,647] #: 166297 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 01:31:36 Sb: #166220-#alternate reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,3}2717 To: mark henry 76525,2150 (X) Mark; if you want to leave a review on the gamer sig, just leave a message to a sysop. I 4}leave mine to "Nightie". he will tell you how to do it. Basically, just type up an ascii file and upload it. I heard about th5}e problem about Charming too much. Try to be nicer. Killing by charm is very nasty. Try tricking or disengaging. Personally I6}'d rather stand on my own 2 feet and fight it out. Of course that's easy to say with a Magical Flamesword and Magical Tower S7}hield and Magical Scale Mail. Oh well. Good Luck and good hunting. Don Wyman. (thorex level 13; 1,750,000 exp. pts.) #: 16628}99 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 01:37:49 Sb: #166276-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: STAN KOPF 70426,647 (X) Some9}times your stats will stay high after a delusion potion. It is not real. if you take a potion of noticeability it will :}put them back to normal. This potion is Yellow-Bitter-Caution. You are missing 1 guild in the NE. You should have; Wizards of;} Chaos, Guild of Order, Wizards of Law, and the Thieves Guild. Good Luck. Don Wyman (thorex level 13: 1,750,000 exp. pts.) #<}: 166302 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 01:42:27 Sb: #166188-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X)=} Don, Congrats on the flamesword, it's about time! I would say the magical banded armour is the better one of w>}hat you mentioned. Yes, I now carry 255 water flasks and food packets. I have not played jorel muche reaching lvl 13. He ha?}s a little over 1,350,000 ex. pts. chr 45,str 139, int 48. Also I acquired another flamesword from a troll so now I carry 2@}, can't hurt I guess. Jorel has magical plate mail, magical battle hammer, and a magical tower shield. Looking forward to theA} dungeon. Good hunting, Jeff #: 166317 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 09:03:27 Sb: #166299-#ALTERNATE REALB}ITY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) THANKS FO THE HELP DON. I'VE MAPPED THE CITY AND GONE BACK (I THOUC}GHT) MARKING EVERY WHERE I'VE BEEN, BUT COULDN'T IMAGINE HAVING TO SEARCH ALL 4 QUADRANTS AGAIN. I HAVE FOUND TWO ENCLOSED AD}REAS IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT IN THE SOUTHWEST ONE-FOURTH CORNER WHICH I CAN GET INTO BUT THEN CANNOT GET BACK OUT OF. IS TE}HIS FOR REAL OR AM I HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY DISKS? THIS HAS CAUSED ME TO RESTART TWICE. I AM CURRENTLY BACK TO LEVEL 11 WIF}TH 400,000 EXP AND AM AFRAID TO TRY THOSE TWO AGAIN AND HAVE TO RESTART ONE MORE TIME. ANYWAY, I WILL GO BACK TO THE NE QUADG} AND BE MORE THOROUGH THIS TIME. THANKS, STAN (SAMWISE) #: 166346 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 21:12:41 Sb: ALTERNATEH} REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: ALT. REALITY PLAYERS My AR walkthru is up on the gamers sig. just type GO TEG-2994 at I}any system prompt and you will go directly there. I hope it helps you new players. If not leave questions here or on the GameJ}rs Sig (GO GAMERS). Don Wyman (thorex lvl. 13: 1,750,000 exp. pts.) #: 1K}66347 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 21:17:40 Sb: #166317-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: STAN KOPF 70426,647 (X) StL}an, the 2 areas you mention about not getting out of are real. They are booboos in the programming. Not intentional. Stay outM} of them. My walkthru is up on the Gamers Sig now. Just type GO TEG-2994 and you will be taken directly there. Good Luck. DonN}. #: 166355 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 22:23:20 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Floyd Walker 72247,36 To: ALL Hi again! Thanks to aO}ll of you out there that have given me helpful advice. Traalfaz is now level 6 and has mundane tower shield and a ... FLAMESWP}ORD!!!! Boy, is it nice to have an adequate weapon! One problem...I'm poisoned aneed to get to a healer pronto because I can'Q}t seem to acquire a "cure poison" potion. Right now, I'm at the NW palace corner and need that healer bad! I will be thankfulR} for any help! Thanks, Floyd Walker 72247,36 S} Traalfaz (LVL. 6) 14,000+ EXP #: 166357 S1/GAMES 15-Aug-86 22:38:35 Sb: #166355-#ALTERT}NATE REALITY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: Floyd Walker 72247,36 (X) GET BACK TO FLOATING GATE. HEAD WEST TO WESTERN GATE. TUU}RN SOUTH AND GO TO WALL THEN TURN WEST, GO TO WALL. TURN NORTH AND GO TO WALL. TURN WEST. GO WEST TO WALL, THERE SHOULD BE AV} TWO-BLOCK WALL TO YOUR LEFT AS YOU GO. TURN SOUTH. YOU SHOULD SEE A 3-BLOCK WALL HEADING TO YOUR LEFT RUNNING NORTH AND SOUW}TH(YOU ARE NEXT TO THE CITY WALL BY THE CORNER OF THE WESTERN GATE). THE NEAREST BLOCK ON THE WEST FACE OF THE 3-BLOCK WALL X}IS A PASSAGE PASS THRU EAST AND FOLLOW WALL AROUND UNTILL YOU ARE FACING THREE DOORS TAKE WEST DOOR. TAKE SOUTH DOOR AND STY}RAIGHT SOUTH TO ALPHA-OMEGA HEALERS THE ONLY OTHER HEALER IS BEHIND A WALL TO THE NORTH-WEST OF CITY CENTER WITHIN ABZ}OUT 3 SQUARES OF THE SMITHIE YOU CAN FIND IT IF YOU START FROM THE WESTERN GATE AND GO NORTH TO FIRST DOOR, THRU DOOR, KEEP[} WALL TO RIGHT, GO NORTH TO SECOND DOOR, EAST THRU DOOR, THEN HEAD SOUTH. KEEP WALL TO RIGHT (AROUND ANY ATTACHED BLOCKS OR W\}ALLS) AND YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GET TO THE HEALER. HOPE YOU MAKE-IT. STAN [SAMWISE LEVEL11] #: 166373 S1/GAMES 16-]}Aug-86 00:15:24 Sb: #166357-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Floyd Walker 72247,36 To: STAN KOPF 70426,647 (X) Stan, Thanks for the di^}rections. Best wishes and good luck to you also. Floyd #: 166381 S1/GAMES 16-Aug-86 01:32:07 Sb: #1_}66297-alternate reality Fm: Sara Groves 70775,712 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 Don, A walkthru for Alternate Reality was`} posted today. If you don't want to read the whole thing, you might read just the introduction and leave a message to the aua}thor, Don Wyman 72456,2717, if you like it. I gather this is one of those games which you either love or hate so otheb}rs may have opinions more closely resembling yours. Sara P.S. Nightie is a she. #: 167391 S1/GAMES 25-Aug-86 17:01:28c} Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: MARK HENRY 76525,2123 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Don, congrats on hitting 2 mil!! I haven't bed}en playin musc lately so Stalker is still only 7lvl 7 perhaps i will start again soon. (just got a color monitor for my systee}m, It should look a lot better now. talk to you soon. Stalker lvl 7. #: 167397 S1/GAMES 25-Aug-86 f}19:09:38 Sb: #Alternate Reality Fm: Floyd Walker 72247,36 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Don, Guess what!! Thanks to your (andg} others) help, Traalfonz is now Lvl.7 with Flamesword, magical shield, and banded armor. Thanks! About the Wraith-Their screah}ms are their most powerful weapon. I think that it bypasses armor. Possibly invulnerability air potion would help-I don't knoi}w. Let us know when you get the dungeon! Thanks Again, Floyd #: 167444 S1/GAMES j} 25-Aug-86 22:32:47 Sb: #167391-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: MARK HENRY 76525,2123 Mark; I am ordering k}a monitor too soon. If all goes right, I will get an ST also. I am looking forward to playing AR on it as soon as it's availal}ble. Don Wyman #: 167447 S1/GAMES 25-Aug-86 22:34:52 Sb: #167397-Alternate Reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Floyd Wm}alker 72247,36 (X) Since that awful encounter with the Wraith, I have taken the Invul. Air potion. Apparently it works. Goodn} Luck Don Wyman (thorex lvl 13; 2,000,000 exp. pts.) #: 167451 S1/GAMES 25-Aug-86 22:48:47 Sb: #Alternate Reality Fm: Wo}ILLIAM C. RODAWALT 72327,3656 To: DON WYMAN Don, THanks for the help finding the taverns and the Assassin's Guild. I alreadyp} had found the Thieve's Guild (don't know if i omitted it from my list or you missed it) but I am still missing one guild. Frq}om the artist conceptual drawing in the newsletter I am convinced that it has to be in the north-west quadrant. the guilds ser}em to be represented in the drawing as towers and they show up in the approximate location of the guilds that I have fos}und. I see two of these towers in the NW quadrant but can only find the Blue Wizards Guild in that quadrant Another thing tht}at happened to me resently has me a bit confused . I came across a magical sword (my first magical item in playing through niu}ne levels) but my longsword still seems to do more damage, why is that??? I also ran into a ghost but could do no damage to v}it is there some sort of secret to killing ghosts??? I sort of feel guilty for leaning on you for all this info , hope i can w}return the favor later. Thanks in advance, William Rodawalt 72327,3656 A.K.A. Yozonseph (Level 9 and still going) #: 167640x} S1/GAMES 27-Aug-86 22:01:54 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: DON WYMAN [ 72456,2717 (X) DON, I y}am baffled now! I have finally entered year 2, have 530,000 exp 76 str and 47 int. Every time I go to the bank the computer z}locks up with the 'ACCOUNT FAILURE' message. I've recopied all the disks three times now and that doesn't change it (I will {}get another head-cleaning disk in the morning, but I doubt that will help, its only been a month). I have backups that go ba|}ck to 505,000 exp and about 3 days (day 22 month of Cold Winds, year 1) but at the change of the year I am locked out (350,00}}0 coppers). Any ideas? Congrats on the two-million, it shows there is hope for the rest of us! thanks, Stan [samwise, l~}evel 11 with magical crystal plate] #: 167650 SAMES 27-Aug-86 22:36:07 Sb: #167640-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: BURCH E. UPHA}M 76210,1524 To: STAN KOPF 70426,647 (X) I'm inspired! I have 295000 exp pts and a magical flamesword and magical leatherarm}or . i figure i will hit level 11 at about 303000 exp pts. have you found all of the guilds. I've found only 12. how do youjo}in a guild? i found 4 in the sw quadrant, 4 in the ne quadrant, 2 inthe nw and 2 in the se ---help!!! #: 167653 S1/GAM}ES 27-Aug-86 23:25:38 Sb: #167640-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: STAN KOPF 70426,647 (X) The problem y}ou are having with the banks is well known to me. I had the same experience. In the newsletter sent out by Datasoft, a cure i}s shown. You must just sit there and wait. The computer is calculating your interest. I waited for 20 min. or more at each ba}nk. Just be patient. The program will recover by itself. Once you have done this, the problem will disappear. Don Wyman (thor}ex level 13: 2,100,000 exp. pts.) #: 167655 S1/GAMES 27-Aug-86 23:28:51 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: BURCH E. UPHAM 76210},1524 To: ALL HAS ANYONE BEEN ABLE TO JOIN A GUILD IN ALTERNATE REALITY? IF SO, WHAT ARE THE CHARACTER REQUIREMENTS? CAN YOU} WIN THIS GAME WITH ONLY THE CITY DISKS? #: 167656 S1/GAMES 27-Aug-86 23:29:05 Sb: #167650-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WY}MAN 72456,2717 To: BURCH E. UPHAM 76210,1524 (X) There are only 12 guilds accessible in the city. The other 2 are in the are}a sw of the Arena and will be accessible in the Arena disk. You may be able to join guilds in the Dungeon. At least that's th}e rumor. The Dungeon is due late Sept. '86. Good Luck. Don Wyman (thorex lvl. 13: 2,100,000 exp. pts.) #: 167659 S1/GAMES } 27-Aug-86 23:31:53 Sb: #167655-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: BURCH E. UPHAM 76210,1524 (X) You cannot jo}in guilds or "win" the game in the City. There are about 5 more sections coming. The Dungeon, Arena, Palace, Wilderness, Reve}lations, and Destiny. Hang in there, there's a long road ahead. Don Wyman. #: 167660 S1/GAMES 27-Aug-86 23:39:25 }Sb: #167451-Alternate Reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: WILLIAM C. RODAWALT 72327,3656 (X) Bill; You are missing the Gree}n Wizard's academy in the NW quadrant. It is NE of MOM's bar and just north of Ono goods. It's hidden. Just bump the walls. T}he longsword is a superior weapon to the sword. Apparently even a Magical Sword. Trial and error here. Ghost's can be tricked} or charmed. I never had problems killing them with Mag. Longsword or Mag. Battle Hammer or Mag. Flamesword. ?????? Don Wyman} (thorex level 13) #: 167686 S1/GAMES 28-Aug-86 11:06:23 Sb: #Arrgh-Alternate Reality Fm: Groove 71320,1130 To: Don Wym}an FINALLY broke 10000 exp points, with nothing more than a dagger! HAHA (My sense of accomplishment is way up there...)} BUT my character is Diseased, Hungry, Thirsty, and Poisoned with weak poison (that was MY fault) and I haven't even found a }Healer! Where are they??? When you get up to those sky high levels, does it still give you 1 pt. of Str, Chr oops etc? O}r do you get 76 str, 47 int, etc with potions??? (and guilds, of which I've only located 2...) The toughest guy I fought} was an assassin, gave me 4 pots and some gold, did me no good cause I was completely lost! In other words, I NEED YOUR MAPS}!!! I've tried, but... I discovered something you may want to investigate, tho, it's in my message on the Gamers forum... } Do be kind to poor and blind, see well out beyond your eyes.... By the way, if you keep buying rounds of drinks at tave}rns, (like 5) when you're hungry/thirsty, they'll give you food FREE! HAAHAHAHA (Sorry, it's driving me CRAZY!) I'm gonna }give up on that char. and start anew... Now that you're gone, some will grieve on, on and on, I know you'll be back a}gain, maybe next time, will be the time, you WIN.....! (Let me know when ya get the dungeons...) #: 167739 S1/GAMES 28-}Aug-86 23:50:36 Sb: #167686-Arrgh-Alternate Reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Groove 71320,1130 (X) Sounds like you've g}ot a bad case of AR fever. Too bad. Long hours and lots of frustration. I left a msg. about the maps on the Gamers Sig. Just }leave me a msg. on Easy Plex and I will give you the info to order. You will probably get 1 str. pt. every 10,000 or so exp. }sometimes you get a chr. or int. pt. When you go from 1 level to the next, most of your stats will go up. I now have 28 STA, }59 CHR, 210 STR, 57 INT, 28 WIS, and 28 SKL pts. with 192 hit pts. All started under 20. Don Wyman. (thorex level 13; 2,100,0}00 exp. pts.) #: 167741 S1/GAMES 28-Aug-86 23:55:15 Sb: Alternate Reality Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: AR players I ha}ve just completed 12 months in the city. The months are as follows: Rains (month I entered the City) Sowings First Fruits Har}vest Final Reaping The Fall Darkness Coldwinds Light Rebirth Awakening Winds Don Wyman (thorex lvl. 13: 2,100,000 exp. pts.) } #: 167751 S1/GAMES 29-Aug-86 00:30:28 Sb: #167653-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X}) Thanks for the help again, I will show more patience at the banks (all 3 have me locked-up). Didn't know there was a news}letter from Datasoft, my disks came without a card, only a note saying I should return the card! And the box was still sealed} in plastic, guess I will send them a letter. Well, back to battling, I hope to make level 12 in the wee hours of this mornin}g, strength is up to 81 and intelligence to 48, if only I could find that FLAMESWORD I will be complete! Stan #: 167754 S1/G}AMES 29-Aug-86 00:33:49 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: MIKE OWEN 73317,1406 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) I AM A NEW P}LAYER AND CAN'T GET PAST DYING OF SCURVY IN THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF THE GAME; UTILIZING A NEW OR TEMPORATY CHARACTER. WHERE} IS THE HEALER?!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>HELP<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< #: 167756 S1/GAMES 29-Aug-86 00:42:28 Sb: #167754-ALTERNATE REALI}TY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: MIKE OWEN 73317,1406 (X) Try recopying all of your disks and cleaning your drives if necessar}y. I occasionally get scurvy when I restart a game after a lot of wear on the city disks, it always clears when I recopy the} disks. Also, if you get started with a good character, make several copies of the character (hit 's' to save as soon as you} can) this gives you several chances to salvage a character with good stats but bad enough luck to meet Knights and Guards fr}om the start...(I lost my first SAMWISE withh all stats above 18 before I learned this). The nearest healer is hidden about 8} blocks south of the western gate. good-luck Stan [Samwise level 11] #: 167758 S1/GAMES 29-Aug-86 00:44:18 Sb: #ALTERNA}TE REALITY Fm: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 To: Don Wyman 72456,2717 (X) Don, I was talking to another AR player on a BBs on he} said that he had quaffed a potion of Invul. Magic. He could not give color, etc. Have you run into this potion. He said h}e's run across it twice. I did'nt think to ask what kind of system he was running. Jeff (jorel lvl }13 > #: 167759 S1/GAMES 29-Aug-86 00:48:37 Sb: ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: STAN KOPF 70426,647 To: BURCH E. UPHAM 76210,1524 }(X) Glad to hear you got your FLAMESWORD (wish I could find one!). You still need to upgrade your armor (magic crysta}l plate is the best, and elfin chain second). I avoided any magic armor less thchain, banded or plate. If you can afford it, }buy Plate Mail, it served me well until about 450,000 points when I found the MAGIC CRYSTAL PLATE. Check in this SIG regu}larly to get good tips on AR, and good luck again! Stan #: 167851 S1/GAMES 30-Aug-86 00:06:08 Sb: #167758-#ALTERNATE RE}ALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Jeff Hand 76556,3402 (X) Jeff; I haven't seen the Inv. Magic potion but I think that Inv.} Cleric would have the same effect. Have you tried Noticeability potion (yellow, bitter, caution)? Since I took it I can't go} 2 squares without an encounter. Lots of action and treasure. Really go up fast on Exp. pts. Don Wyman (thorex level 13; 2,20}0,000 exp. pts. #: 167852 S1/GAMES 30-Aug-86 00:10:56 Sb: #167754-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: MIKE O}WEN 73317,1406 (X) If you are coming up with Scurvy you have one of the following problems: 1. A bad disk. Send it back to D}atasoft. 2. A non-Atari (1050 or 810) drive. Send disk to Datasoft. 3. A pirate copy. Tough luck!!! #: 167872 S1/GAMES 3}0-Aug-86 04:37:05 Sb: #ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: JOHN GARTMAN 72327,1545 To: A.R. PLAYERS HOWDY, I HAVE BEEN PLAYING A.R. FOR} ABOUT 4 MOS. NOW ,I FINALY GOT A CHARACTER TO LEVEL 8 51,000 POINTS. I HAVE GOT ALOT OF USEFUL INFO FROM YOU GUYS THANKS. B}UT NOW THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS I CAN'T GET ANY GOOD POTIONS,NO GOOD SPOILS FROM ENCOUNTERS,AND ANY POTIONS I DO GET DISAPEAR. A}NY MAGICAL WEPONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS CURSED. MAX-1 LVL8 BEARLY ALIVE ANY SUGESTIONS WOULD BE WELCOME. THANKS ?EX #: 167}914 S1/GAMES 30-Aug-86 22:17:38 Sb: #167872-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Floyd Walker 72247,36 To: JOHN GARTMAN 72327,1545 (X) } Congrats on reaching Lvl. 8! Just reached it myself about 3 or so days ago. A good tip for potions: When you get 3-5 pots., }save your character, dup the char disk, reload char, and start by Unsealing then Quaff-ing the potion(s). If you get a bad po}tion, just re-copy the char disk and try again. Might take a while before you get a treasure finding potionor something almos}t as good. Happy Hunting! Floyd Walker Traalfonz (8+) #: 167}933 S1/GAMES 30-Aug-86 23:44:24 Sb: #167872-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: JOHN GARTMAN 72327,1545 (X) } John; Try being nicer. It sounds like you've been a "bad" boy. Don Wyman. #: 167951 S1/GAMES 31-Aug-86 04:13:36 Sb: #1}67933-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: Fran Bonito 76626,137 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) HELP!!!! Brown mold has gotten me...now I'm }diseased, poisoned, and not to mention, tipsy. I need a healer and haven't been able to find one. PLEASE direct me to the n}earest MD...I'm at Da Place. Thanks. B.B. Level 8, 63,000+ (and trying to hold on). P.S.: Aren't any other ladies hooked o}n this game?? #: 167986 S1/GAMES 31-Aug-86 15:50:35 Sb: #167650-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: MIKE CARPICK 73217,1527 To: BURCH} E. UPHAM 76210,1524 I am in need of some SERIOUS help! I only have 5,000. I only found 6 guilds. Am having problems. Oh, we}ll. Do you know if the Closed by Order of the Palace can ever be re-opened. Xebec 5,000 l.v.5 #: 1679}91 S1/GAMES 31-Aug-86 16:00:05 Sb: #167686-Arrgh-Alternate Reality Fm: MIKE CARPICK 73217,1527 To: Groove 71320,1130 (X)} The early morning turns into early day, A sunset comes they take the colors away Where you are Alternate Reality I fo}und six of 'em and I'm only at 5000! Try looking for sec. doors! The hardest I ever lived thru was a wizard, the hardest ever} a green dragon. A bit like home yet unmistakably new A morning rain then evening stars come and view This is your Alt}ernate Reality Also, WHAT IS A $#'$#@$#@'" FLAMESWORD! And how can ya get 81 str!!!!!!47 int! ??????????????????????????????}??????? You walk around each corner hoping to see A way to get back home a way to break free And to leave Alternate }Reality Ok, thanx for the help I hope to get(but not too much, I like doing it alone, just WHATS A FLAMESWORD??????!!?!??!?!}!) This is your Alternate Reality (c) ----------------------------------------(c) Indicateslyrics Copywright Gary Gil}bertson 1984 or 1985(don't remember ) Xebec(cute, eh?) 5,000 #: 167992 S1/GAMES 31-Aug-86 16:07:38 Sb: #167851}-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: MIKE CARPICK 73217,1527 To: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 (X) Yo, Galvatron(My friend) got deluded and} doesn't know how to undo it! How??? Paws and claws could be the cause of anyone heres demise... Xebec } Galvatron 5,000 5,000 lv. 5 lv. 5 40,000 cp ?????????? cp #: }167994 S1/GAMES 31-Aug-86 16:11:42 Sb: #167872-#ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: MIKE CARPICK 73217,1527 To: JOHN GARTMAN 72327,154}5 (X) Anyone know how to get spells? Please? Armor, this we have for you We do Armor, Tools of death we have those too Swor}ds, worth much more than you pay Swords, to hold evil at bay Xebecc (oooooppps) Xebec 5,000 #}: 168021 S1/GAMES 31-Aug-86 20:27:33 Sb: #167951-ALTERNATE REALITY Fm: DON WYMAN 72456,2717 To: Fran Bonito 76626,137 (X}) Fran; Go to the city square and turn west. Go to the end of the street and follow the path to the left (south). When you g}et to the first long passage heading south, bump the walls on your left. The first wall should open. Look around there and yo}u will see 3 doors. Face the center one and enter the one to the left. Turn left and go straight. This should take you to the} AlphaOmega Healers. Or take an Amber, Plain, Caution potion for the poison and a Clear, Acidic, Caution potion for the Disea}se. If you haven't already, look in the DL2 games area for my potions list. Yes there are other women players. Just don't run} across them that often. Don Wyman Thorex level 13: 2,300,000 exp. pts. H?/